alternative paintballs your ideas plz

[unrealsm]

Originally posted by sbpyro
I was watching Conquest (I think) or one of those learning shows. They were doing stuff on SWAT training. And I believe the "paintballs" they used shot from a regular gun from a clip.

Ya they are called simunitions and they travel like 900fps hence the apple size welts. Believe me you dont want to get shot by them.

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just found this on the black cell website, though it maybe old Go here thats the "bullet" shaped paintball

[JonDaAzn]

thats the riot round made by fmp for crowd control, they are suppose to be able to immobilize someone from 50 metres away (not sure)

[Kingman01]

Bullet shaped or even cylindrical shaped paintballs are a good concept, but logistically impractical for the time being. There would have to be new loading systems and markers to accomidate the new ammunition. Round paintballs aren't going anywhere for a good while.

[MDethCKR]

Originally posted by hitech


The extra pain comes from the fact that it is three times heavier than a paintball. I do not believe there are any issues with spinning a paintball. Tom has proof that paintballs spin when fired and the spin does NOT rapidly slow down range.

i believe its the opposite....or partially

search it..(im lazy)...but i believe the liquid filled interior wont spin correctly....and therefore will either shred, or spin wildly...

sorry if i am wrong

(empires "twister" barrel)

[hitech]

The data thread at the top of this forum has high speed pictures of paintballs in flight. You can see from those that they spin.

[doc_Zox]

the FN ammo works because it has a Bismuth payload and fins

http://www.quartermasterpolice.com/fn303.htm

this is a speed loader:

[cledford]

What people are missing with the "bullet shaped" paintball concept is that hoppers will no longer be needed. The reason we shoot the volume of paint we do to day is that due to the inaccurate nature of paintballs the only way to insure a hit is to shoot a lot into a general area. With a highly accurate round it can be done with one. Take this for example - you see a pack or part of a foot sticking out from behind cover and the owner doesn't know it. From half way down the length of a speedball field (which isn't far BTW) you can spend upwards of 10-20 ball trying to hit that little target. With a spin stablized round you could likely hit it on the first or second try.

The SSR rounds aren't likely to make it into paintball from what I can tell - due to insurance issues. I know that Tom was looking into it and ditched the idea. He could have DOMINATED the scenerio market with such a marker - especially since he has patented the rounds, is the only producer in the world and already has a military certified marker in production (which uses a valve very much like the mag) - so his staying out of the market has got to be related to insurance troubles...

-Calvin

[Thordic]

Heh those "FN" paintballs are made by AGD, right in the AGD factory.

[Dizeazed_Doughnut]

Ive seen that anti riot pbgun before my friend was gonna get it but then decided not to.

[VALCONE]

The military doesn't use paint much anymore. A couple of weeks ago I went to an anti-terrorism course, and we used Simmunitions, basically a normal round with a plastic tip that holds a small amount of colored detergent. The weapons were standard issue Beretta'a and M-16's with a barrel modification to make it a smooth bore. Getting hit hurt more than paint, but it was a ton of fun. It is very intense to see a guy spraying a fully auto M-16 in your direction. This would be an interesting way for pursuit games to go, but not very likely. The cost of outfitting yourself with a real pistol, tac vest, sim ammo, and the barrel mod would be astronomical, and I could imagine that insurance companies wouldn't be too juiced on the idea. I guess that we get to have all the fun.

[cledford]

It is my understanding that many former Simunaitions users are moving away from the product. Reasons include high cost and potential severe injury and tissue trauma. (with such a small projectile traveling at over 400fps no wonder...) My room-mate had scars from USMC CQB school that were over 4 years old - the areas hit are still numb. Such injuries have already been linked to an increased chance of breast cancer in women.

I've also heard from that the military is looking to relace MILES with some sort of paintgun product. The US Marines are already increasingly using products from Tippmann Ordnance to add additional realism to training exercises. Using paintballs hurt (unlike MILES) and trash vehicles (which must be spotless before exercise is over - huge pain) which military planners see as a more effective training aid - since there is a "cost" associated with getting "hit." The real problem with paintball is that it isn't suitable due to range/accuracy issues. If SSRs were more readily available then that would make the a huge new market for training.

BTW, don't ask me how Siminitions can be more expensive then SSRs with specialized markers - because I can't figure that one out. I have heard a number of times from several sources...

-Calvin

[JonDaAzn]

in the city where my dad works, the police have actually moved away from paintballs and have started using simmunition, their reason was so they could practice with thier own sidearms and get used to shooting them

[mr_cool2588]

The Solution!!!!!

If the inside of a paintball was sectioned into quarters with the same gelitan used to form the outer shell, all of the liquid inside would move with the spin of the outer shell.

By putting this grid inside the paintball going across two perpindicual radiuses(or radii, I don't know) all of the non-solid problems would be solved and a paintball could be spun better. I don't know if it is possible for paintball manufacturers to do this, but it seems to be a logical solution.

[mr_cool2588]

The Solution!!!!!

If the inside of a paintball was sectioned into quarters with the same gelitan used to form the outer shell, all of the liquid inside would move with the spin of the outer shell.

By putting grid inside the paintball going across two perpindicual radiuses(or radii I don't know) all of the non-solid problems would be solved and a paintball could be spun better. I don't know if it is possible for paintball manufacturers to do this, but it seems to be a logical solution.