The first solenoid valve DESIGNED for use in a paintball marker!!

[FragTek]

I'm not counting dropoff... What I'm saying is: We've all (or at least should have) seen electro's shooting above 24bps... Shootdown or not, it's able to fully cycle the bolt to allow the marker to fire a ball (in excess of 30bps), pretty impressive in my book at least.

[chaos lichen]

What is the product number?

[CaptaiN_JacK]

Jeez, will you look at the spcs of the new Nerve?!??


As posted in the article:

"Fun Gun: The new Nerve marker consists of a stainless steel barrel, a special grip, and a pressure tank, among other components. The valve is rated for 225 psig, but seals at 300 psig."


That's right folks, a STAINLESS STEEL BARREL!!!!! LOL, they make it sound like the tank is part of the gun. Silly journalists.

[Willystyle21]

STRZ, you have no idea

Hmmmm......... new air valve capable of cycling that fast huh......... Seen these solenoids/valves used on the F-15 since it was declassified in 1972. Of course anything is revolutionary if you havent heard of it. Really, how many people actually know that the Rail Gun has been in use by the Navy for 15 years now? Don't talk smack when you don't know the truth. AGD, if you want I can supply you with the specs and way to build these valves.

[STRZ]

I suppose you've seen the UFOs at Area 51 too...

Of course there are fast valves, but will it fit in a paintball gun grip or body? Will it run off of 6 volts DC? I think you need to revisit the concept of comparing apples to oranges. So you have seen some military technology, so what. Did you design any of it? I doubt you could if you wanted to based on the thought process displayed in that last post.

Sorry everyone else for venting on this guy, but if people don't have anything SPECIFIC and TANGIBLE to say why do they insist on posting??

BTW, I design manufacturing equipment for a living, I DO have an idea.

[steveg]

STRZ what is the part/order # for the PB version do they offer the pilot in voltages other
than 5 (6 for example )
thanks Steve

[STRZ]

I have the manifold mount version with a 5VDC coil, the part # is: CRCB-0051W. That is the 70 to 225 psi version. I believe there is other voltages available but I think they are 24VDC and either 12VDC or 9VDC. There is a version made to take fittings for E-blade type mounting and plumbing as well. This valve is actually a Koganei brand but Humphrey is a partner company for them.

["the FitZ"]

Why?

why do we need a gun to cycle 28 or even 24 cps. a good steady rope of 15-16 is good enough, just fast enough where someone can't run through it. The response of the electronics is awesome, now we can squeeze off 3-5 balls when snapshooting. but I think anything beyond 18 is hype. Then again I'm not that smart

[FallNAngel]

According to the Designer and manufacturer of the valves (NOT Smartparts), the current valves on the market can only achieve 24 COMPLETE cycles per second. That means drop off when cycling at rates faster than 24. Has anyone seen actual DATA showing a gun cycling with paint at 30 bps and not having velocity drop off?? That LCD readout on the gun is not a reliable data source......

Don't confuse fact with hype.....

Yes, I beileve Doc has has an A4 (or was it a Speed) shooting around 30bps average.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Sorry for this thread ressurection but I can't let the title go because it something that I'm not in agreement with. This Humphreys/Kogami valve is the same design as other existing valves out their. The only difference is that it's a little beefier.

But the first solenoid valve designed strictly for paintball? I think not. The design originated from 'noids whose application was from other industries.

So to call it the first solenoid Designed for use in a paintball marker is a little misleading.

[CrimsonTurkey]

...the first pair of boxer shorts designed for paintball...

Sadly, that's been done too. Just look at Dye slide shorts.

[Willystyle21]

Of course there are fast valves, but will it fit in a paintball gun grip or body? Will it run off of 6 volts DC? I think you need to revisit the concept of comparing apples to oranges. So you have seen some military technology, so what. Did you design any of it? I doubt you could if you wanted to based on the thought process displayed in that last post.

Sorry everyone else for venting on this guy, but if people don't have anything SPECIFIC and TANGIBLE to say why do they insist on posting??

BTW, I design manufacturing equipment for a living, I DO have an idea.

More than just seen, worked on it or almost 7 years now. Yes it will work on 6 VDC, it will work on 12 VDC and 24 VDC. And yes the solenoid I was speaking of is less than 1 inch across, and 1 1/2 inches high, able to take up to 300 psi at about 450 degrees F. And based upon your reply, how could you even for a moment feel that you could judge how much and of what I know or have thought of, or what I have applied for patents. My "specific and tangible" thoughts are related to the first post because they are of the same technology, the same basic idea. "First solenoid valve designed for paintball" ok, so someone took somebody elses design and put it into their product.

BTW, don't judge me until you have seen my abilities or training. I design and test things you won't see or read about for another decade. Never said I was a professional writer.

[steveg]

Willy the solenoid in question is a 10mm pitch size. .394" wide .866" high
and about 2.25" long It's coil is rated at at about .7 watts

this is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the solenoid you are speaking of .
If your solenoid was of a similar 10mm size than it would be a wonderful addition
to the marker designers toolkit, in the mean time I think most would have a few
size issues.
Single piece retail on this size of valve is about $60, I wonder what the PB manufactures
pay, wholesale, 1000pcs at a time
I wonder what your military special costs

Many, if not most of the marker manufacturers are already using this valves generic
of-the-shelf cousin. it takes absolutely zero stretch of the imagination to think
that these manufactures will switch to the paintball version as soon as they are
available in quantity.

PBX I think that your valve is a VERY cool new toy and will no doubt buy one,
once you are up and running. I'm betting that it's going to look very much like
a derivitive of a moog style cartridge valve with solenoid activation.
but will it be usefull in or replace ram/spool actuation?
so is the Koganei "Revolutionary" nope. is it a highly usefull evolution/refinement/application specific device? Damned right it is

[PBX Ronin 23]

PBX I think that your valve is a VERY cool new toy and will no doubt buy one, once you are up and running. I'm betting that it's going to look very much like
a derivitive of a moog style cartridge valve with solenoid activation.
but will it be usefull in or replace ram/spool actuation?
so is the Koganei "Revolutionary" nope. is it a highly usefull evolution/refinement/application specific device? Damned right it is

It's very useful and simplifies design work with the ram/spool actuation. It minimizes the amount of space required and the parts utilized to do the same job.

[steveg]

It's very useful and simplifies design work with the ram/spool actuation. It minimizes the amount of space required and the parts utilized to do the same job.

It's quite self evident how the MQ can replace the AIR valve in a Mag but I'm a
bit befuddled on how it's going to replace the SMC in my matrix
or how it will replace the solenoid used in the various ram style markers, like the angel ,impluse
timmy etc. (limited imagination perhaps, but not a lack of technical ability )
or are you assuming that the world will quicky abandon all those various methods
and adapt the MQ+blowforeward (not a bad idea really)

It's interesting and ironic that the first application for you valve is a cocker that still
needs a solenoid valve and ram such as the one in this thread.
BY the way Mel are you aware that this Humpreys valve is available with
threaded ports (E-cocker style) as well as base(manifold) mount.