the barrel ideas that flow in algebra class

[paintman1234]

Ok sorry for being dumb if this doesnt hold up to the deep blue thread (as everyone says there first time posting on deep blue)

imagine this a barrel housing that fits on to a back that barrel housing is about 7" long and 2" in diameter the back of it attaches to the regular barrel back witch is threaded into the gun

inside the barrel houseing goes a strafoam tubes thet same size as the barrel housing but with a hole in the middle all the way through the middle where the paintball goes about .695 inchs big (a little bigger then the biggest paintball

when you get a new bag of paint you push the paintball through the barrel and the strafoam (or any other simaliar material that will act the same way) forms to that size of the ball

even though paintballs arnt completly round it will be way closer then anything else

once the strafoam weres away you buy a new removable tube for $1-$2

the strafoam and housing is ported slightly and the strafoam is removable due to a hinge at the end of the housing the opens at the tip of the barrel

i have a drawing but hunt nor jayloo will take it so email or im me if you want it

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aim: groovyboy333

lmk what you think improvements or material suggestions
it would be really awesoem if sombody has already made or if someone can make a prototype

[undescriptive]

the problem I see with that, is the fact that you can't hone the styrofoam and it will make an awful barrel...

I can't think of a material that is like that though....

however, RONIN made a very nice barrel (once apon a time) that you could adjust by changing an Iris like collar to various bore sizes that you could then lock down for tourney play once you have sized the barrel correctly it's all gravy

I'm personally trying to find one of these barrels (they have been out of production for 2 or more years now) as I think it sound a brilliant idea for a multi bore 1 piece

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/barrels/katana/index.shtml

I'd be seriously interested if I could actually find one of these for sale, or if someone else happens to make something similar

[ColdFuzion]

Undescriptive, look at the Phsycoballistics Aradus barrel.

-Cold

[Lurker27]

Why not electrify a similar concept so that it forms the bore to exactly match each individual ball? Patch it into the eye system and you're golden.

[Jakedubbleya]

forgetting that an exact match on the ball doesnt afford the greatest accuracy.

[paintman1234]

yes but it does give you way better consistensy and allows very good accuracy

[Jakedubbleya]

? uh, heres something you should read about accuracy and barrels (also a buster on range):
Otters accuracy article

consistancy usually is referred to when talking about constant velocity, something that is more or less unaffected by the barrel.

there are a lot of problems with your idea relating to accuracy, ill let you figure them out, i already mentioned one of them.

[SlartyBartFast]

[paintman1234]

fricken canadians! lol well prove me wrong and make one and tell me it doesnt work

hey by the way do you know if i can take a paintball gun and some 12 grams accrossed the boarder? threw customs

[SlartyBartFast]

hey by the way do you know if i can take a paintball gun and some 12 grams accrossed the boarder? threw customs

Shouldn't have any problems. Declare them as sports equipment.

Have to ask someone else though I've never done it.

As for the barel, if a suitable substance even existed, you'd get a barrel that would be too tight for the largest balls and barrel breaks galore.

["the FitZ"]

So I should go back to the stock 8 in. barrel on my carbine rather than my 14 in dye ultralight. The point I'm getting at is smoothness of the surface. The guys at tippman take a piece of pipe and cut it at 8 in the poke some holes in it. I couldn't hit the side of a barn w/ it. Then, after the 14 in dye that will shoot, literally, every ball through the same 2 in hole. Well then I tooke my piece of pipe of a barrel and cut ports in it spiralling up and small to larger holes just like the SP barrels the I honed the inside and it made a noticable difference in the accuracy, maybe it was the ports maybe the honing, who knows.

Also porting makes a diff in accuracy after breaks as well as sound. The pipe cleans out good but down range it sounds like you're plinking off a .22. The ultralite, I think, is the best of both worlds

[Jakedubbleya]

Nice barrel review fitz...?

porting is not a playable factor in accuracy (at least not untill the very end of the barrel, even then its questionable).

all that porting does is quiet the barrel by allowing gas to escape, and obviously letting air out of your barrel early is bad for your efficiency, which is why ive always said to get a quiet gun (also an efficient one of course, but that can always be tinkered with) if you want quiet, not a quiet barrel.

three of the most accurate barrels made have no porting till the very end of the barrel. The stock phantom barrel, the CP barrels, and arguably the most accurate barrels ever, lapco.

breaks will not be a problem if you have a good barrel bore/ball match.

ill adress the customs question as well;

I believe that pressurized containers such as your hpa tank are the only things people run into problems with. Just make sure if your hauling one to empty it first.

im not sure about the 12 grams though... good luck.

[athomas]

I have a tendency to believe this about the porting only at the end of the barrel. I had a removable muzzle brake for a 12" barrel. This was before ported barrels were the norm and we had a hard time getting consistent, round balls. I found that the muzzle brake helped the overall accuracy of the gun by quite a bit.

["the FitZ"]

actually jake, I was referring to accuracy after barrel breaks and chops and responding to the link you posted. The evil pipe has slanted porting which aids in removing debris from the barrel. If the next ball has to push crap out of the barrel which would be better? This l or this /. In my opinion slanted porting helps clean the barrel easier. In his styrofoam barrel the first ball that breaks will throw paint into every pore making it nearly impossible to make an accurate shot. EX/ of a poorly designed post chop barrel. The freak. It will shoot loopty loops until you clean it. The dye barrels retain most of their accuracy and the pipe is the best but will quite a bit louder b/c of the fact that it move the sound downrange / instead of straight out l .

Nextly smoothness of surface does play a part in accuracy. How do you know how smooth and uniform the surface is? If you look down a stock tippmann barrel then pretty much any newer aftermarket barrel you can see the difference. Try to roll a paintball down a piece of sand paper then down a piece of copy paper. which one is less likely to change its path. his styrofoam barrel will also lack in this department.

I believe my post was relavent but I used other barrels as a reference. I am going to agree w/ you about the porting at the end that helps in accuracy.

[Jakedubbleya]

a bit confused

You should always squeegie your barrel immediately after a chop whether on or off the field. i dont see the point in "post-chop friendly" barrels.

Im sorry but im not following how your earlier post responded to the link i posted, or how it adressed post-break issues.

actually, compressed foam can make a rather smooth surface, but yes, after a break youd pretty much haveto throw it away because any barrel cleaning might distort the foam. same problem w/ just shooting the darnn thing, the ball and air might distort the bore and even the smallest change could have drastic effects on accuracy.

the real problem is "pushing the ball through" and still getting a well formed bore. It would take a large, stable tool of some sort to do this right.

Another problem being that matching the bore to the exact diameter of the paintball will give you many a ball break and horrible accuracy, this could be solved by using standardized "ratio balls" bigger than the paint you are using but in accurate proportion to them.

So it could work, but the costs would FAR outweight the benefits, which are few and unoriginal.

Ii dont want to turn this dead thread into a barrel debate, but there are a few reasons why dye doesnt make the ideal barrel:

Yes, they are high quality and the microhoning is as good as any, but two piece barrels are no more accurate than one pieces and if anything have been shown to be less accurate, also the unnecessary porting means bad efficiency.

So, if you just cant do without a more quiet and flashy barrel and are willing to sacrifice a little efficiency and perhaps a bit of accuracy, then be my guest. but if you want a barrel that simply does what barrels are meant to do better than any other, buy a lapco.