E/X-Mag Microcontroller Programming (Atmel AT90S2313)

[LorneCash]

is there anyway I could use a different soleniod and ult, kinda like dmags and use this software?

As long as you use the stock board everything should work fine, but that's given you do the experimenting and find an acceptable solenoid yourself. If you manage to get it working with a different solenoid let me know what solenoid you're using cuz I've been thinking of trying to do that myself but haven't had the time.

[11 Bravo]

is there anyway I could use a different soleniod and ult, kinda like dmags and use this software?

I think the deviled Xmag still has the Emag noid.
Check with Atachone.

[A-Tach-One]

I think the deviled Xmag still has the Emag noid.
Check with Atachone.

Yep, 11 Bravo is correct. There is no choice but to use the stock solenoid with the XMag.
UTDragon, what are you wanting to change the noid in?

[BigEvil]

Using a 9v noid in an e/xmag is not totally out of the realm of possibility. I wouldnt be drop in though, I tell you that.

You would need:
ULT kit
9 volt noid and a way to mount it, and connect it to the sear
a board with software that allows control over the dwell


I have been thinking about this for a while. My theory would be to replace the 18v stock noid with a 9v one in the same position. Then replace the noid plunger with a custom made one that can connect to the emag sear the same way as the stock noid.

It would be alot of trouble, some machining, a bit of trial and error, and tons of luck.

I am not sure if there really is an advantage to having a 9v noid over the stock 18v one. I dont think they are nearly as durable, and probably have the same cycle rate.

Unless you can find me a solenoid that is 9vs and can cycle reliably at 30+ times/sec then its really pointless.

However, there might be an advantage if you could find one that is 12vs, even if it can cycle at the same rates as the stock board. I would think off the top of my head that if you put a 12v regulator from the stock battery you MIGHT gain a tremendous amount of battery life.

Then again, im just talking out of my butt.

[Jotsy]

I am not sure if there really is an advantage to having a 9v noid over the stock 18v one. I dont think they are nearly as durable, and probably have the same cycle rate.

Unless you can find me a solenoid that is 9vs and can cycle reliably at 30+ times/sec then its really pointless.

i've been thinking of doing this too. my main motivation was that with the ULT, i can keep the mechanical mode and still be tourny legal... i think there should be an improvement in batt efficiency too i think. i didn't even know the stock emag solenoid had problems over 20fps until i read this thread...

[BigEvil]

i've been thinking of doing this too. my main motivation was that with the ULT, i can keep the mechanical mode and still be tourny legal... i think there should be an improvement in batt efficiency too i think. i didn't even know the stock emag solenoid had problems over 20fps until i read this thread...

WEll, by problems AGD says it will 'chatter' over 25+ bps. To me, thats not a real problem, other than from a hype factor. (And hype is always good for sales).

[cledford]

I think "chatter" = eaten sears and bolts. Tom has been real upfront at tech training that anything less than full lockup between the two will rapidly destroy both...

-Calvin

[11 Bravo]

Okay, so dont play at 25 bps. Problem solved.
I think if someone shot me at 25 bps I would have to club them with my mag.

My point is - that we are not going to be shooting at 25 bps so why worry about it?

[11 Bravo]

Now here I am worrying about it. Not really, but I had a thought. Could this chattering at 26 bps be caused by what I was talking about earlier? The fact that we probably need to be able to control dwell and noid fire hold off? If these were adjustable it would probably eliminate the chattering.

[latches109]

found this old post from TK a few years back, about dwell time, though it might help when thinking about changing it. here's part of the post.

...if the code gets out everyone will be messing with it and the first thing they will do is shorten the solenoid on time to greatly extend their battery life. We do 30 ms (we must have changed it somewhere down the line) the hyperframe does 6 ms. If you do that you will chew up bolts, I have to replace them for free, the gun gets a bad rep, I ***** about the code changes, guys say mine is working fine your programers suck, we refuse to warrantee, EVERYONE is pissed off.
AGD

[cledford]

[11 Bravo]

That must pertain to the Hyperframe stock board. My Hyperframe with a Morlock is set at Dwell 29 ms.
Anyway that shouldnt have anything to do with the Noid in an E or Xmag.

[hitech]

Using a 9v noid in an e/xmag is not totally out of the realm of possibility. I wouldnt be drop in though, I tell you that.

You would need:
ULT kit
9 volt noid and a way to mount it, and connect it to the sear
a board with software that allows control over the dwell


I have been thinking about this for a while. My theory would be to replace the 18v stock noid with a 9v one in the same position. Then replace the noid plunger with a custom made one that can connect to the emag sear the same way as the stock noid.

It would be alot of trouble, some machining, a bit of trial and error, and tons of luck.

If you really want to do this, I can show you were to buy the solenoid. It has the same basic attachment as the emag solenoid. As a matter of fact, it is built the same, just smaller. You will need to get someone to make you either a new square nut for the solenoid or a thread adapter. I'd bet luke here on AO can make it for you.

You don't really need to adjust the dwell.

The solenoid I'd suggest...

http://www.solenoidcity.com/solenoi...r/s-10-50p1.htm

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[mpsd]

[QUOTE=hitech]If you really want to do this, I can show you were to buy the solenoid. It has the same basic attachment as the emag solenoid. As a matter of fact, it is built the same, just smaller. You will need to get someone to make you either a new square nut for the solenoid or a thread adapter. I'd bet luke here on AO can make it for you.

You don't really need to adjust the dwell.

The solenoid I'd suggest...

http://www.solenoidcity.com/solenoi...r/s-10-50p1.htm

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[hitech]

Sorry... The correct link is:

http://www.magneticsensorsystems.com/solenoid/tubular/s-10-50.asp