One of the most disturbing articles I have read about Iraq.

[MedicDVG]

Insurgents Meet on Post-U.S. Future - TIMEexpected American military withdrawal, and meet in Damascus to unveil their new alliance. "

"Once the majority of American troops have left, the alliance plans to throw out the constitution, dissolve the parliament, cancel all resolutions issued from the Bremer era on, and disband the existing security forces and U.S.-trained Iraqi army divisions.all Iraqi citizens who worked for or cooperated with the current, coalition-backed government would be arrested. A "reconciliation council", drawn in large part from the ranks of the armed insurgency, would then draw up plans for a permanent "technocratic" government � which would immediately seek criminal charges and file civil suits against the U.S. government and major American war supporters in international court."

my emphasis was added.

So basically here we have the Insurgent Manifesto -- and the ONLY thing that is preventing this is US Force of Arms supporting the elected government.

You want a blood bath of epic proportions? You want the Mideast to be a stronghold of terrorist led governments? Then by all means, pull the US out.

The argument has been made that if we don't stop the insurgents here, we will be stopping them in America is TRUE. This summit shows that post-US Iraq will be a huge state sponsored terrorist organization with incredible resources to bring the fight to US soil. They will also have the preconceived notion that we are vulnerable seeing as they defeated the Soviets in the '80's and now the USA in the new millennium. They will be emboldened by these "victories" to continue their operations against us everywhere.

And in the words of Forrest Gump.. and that's all I have to say about that.

Medic

[MoeMag]

I wish we could pull out, but we already screwed up and got Iraq pregnant from the last time. Best suck it up and stick arround to make sure that kid grows up right I suppose.

War sucks.
I miss my paintball buddies.

[bornl33t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

[AirAssault]

Yeah, they said the same thing about Vietnam, of course some how the south is free. Communism didn't take over like all the folks said it would. So, if we could all pull out our crystal balls and look into the future to see this "bloodbath" that wood be great. I recall bush saying when the Iraqi people didn't want us there anymore, we would leave. Well the majority of the people there don't want us there, so I say it's time to go.

News flash, the 3 different factions in Iraq have been fighting way before the US was even a country; they will continue to do so. Time to leave.

We would not be fighting them here, you know why? Because we would take the billions spent re-builing another country and fighting a so called "war" and secure our borders.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Practice by prevention.

"stupid is as stupid does"

[kenndogg]

Yeah, they said the same thing about Vietnam, of course some how the south is free. Communism didn't take over like all the folks said it would.

well here's the thing, The North Vietnamese never wanted to destroy America per say. This is not about communism anymore. The Taliban and the rest of the zealots on the other hand would be more than happy to destroy our way of life. They see our western culture and influence as a disease. If we pull out we'll see countless Iraqis who backed us slaughtered and Iraq well be a hotbed for terrorist(if it hasn't already). We're in it too deep to just pull out.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

To their credit it sounds like they have a well thought out plan.

[AirAssault]

well here's the thing, The North Vietnamese never wanted to destroy America per say. This is not about communism anymore. The Taliban and the rest of the zealots on the other hand would be more than happy to destroy our way of life. They see our western culture and influence as a disease. If we pull out we'll see countless Iraqis who backed us slaughtered and Iraq well be a hotbed for terrorist(if it hasn't already). We're in it too deep to just pull out.

Well, according to OBL the reason he attacked the US in the first place was because we were in Saudi Arabia. So, maybe our foreign policy and not our way of life has a little more to do with it. If we as a country spent a little more time on our own problems instead of trying to "cure" every one elses, we would be better off.

The fight them over there so we don't have to here thinking is a load of CRAP. Basically, we are saying it is ok to take over a country, and let every person in the world that wants to do us harm come and blow themselves up killing innocent people in the process. Basically saying Iraqi lives are worth less than ours. Am I the only one here that thinks that's worng?

Plus, the majority of violence in Iraq is not caused by so called Al Qaeda, it is caused by Suni/Shea confrontation.

[Lohman446]

Well, according to OBL the reason he attacked the US in the first place was because we were in Saudi Arabia. So, maybe our foreign policy and not our way of life has a little more to do with it. If we as a country spent a little more time on our own problems instead of trying to "cure" every one elses, we would be better off.
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I didn't realize OBL was the Saudi government who INVITED us there. In fact, I seem to recall them being pretty insistant we, and the rest of the world, protect the region from Iraq at the time.

Nice talking point though... almost

[Lohman446]

The fight them over there so we don't have to here thinking is a load of CRAP. Basically, we are saying it is ok to take over a country, and let every person in the world that wants to do us harm come and blow themselves up killing innocent people in the process. Basically saying Iraqi lives are worth less than ours. Am I the only one here that thinks that's worng? .

I fail to see the problem with that.

[FactsOfLife]

Well, according to OBL the reason he attacked the US in the first place was because we were in Saudi Arabia. So, maybe our foreign policy and not our way of life has a little more to do with it. If we as a country spent a little more time on our own problems instead of trying to "cure" every one elses, we would be better off.

The fight them over there so we don't have to here thinking is a load of CRAP. Basically, we are saying it is ok to take over a country, and let every person in the world that wants to do us harm come and blow themselves up killing innocent people in the process. Basically saying Iraqi lives are worth less than ours. Am I the only one here that thinks that's worng?

Plus, the majority of violence in Iraq is not caused by so called Al Qaeda, it is caused by Suni/Shea confrontation.

man you are just full of prop aren't ya.

[personman]

If we as a country spent a little more time on our own problems instead of trying to "cure" every one elses, we would be better off.

QFFT.

[Empyreal Rogue]

I still find it funny how Iraq was not a nation that harbored terrorist until after we falsely accused it of so then invaded it. Now it's a training ground for terrorism.

Oh karma, how you amaze me so.

An immediate withdrawal of American forces will have a detrimental affect on Iraq, the middle east, and pretty much every country who buys oil from these nations. But we can't leave our forces there, either. No matter how you look at it, it's going to end with US troops being pulled out and there will be an aftermath. The question is then, what outcome has the least consequence? I agree that an immediate and complete withdrawal of American Troops is a bad idea, but it needs to be done. The troops can't stay in Iraq forever, and they've certainly overstayed their welcome by a few years.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

If we as a country spent a little more time on our own problems instead of trying to "cure" every one elses, we would be better off.

Do you honestly think we are trying to cure some body else's problems? The only time our military leaves these shores is when there is a monetary incentive.

[FactsOfLife]

I still find it funny how Iraq was not a nation that harbored terrorist until after we falsely accused it of so then invaded it. Now it's a training ground for terrorism.

Oh karma, how you amaze me so.

An immediate withdrawal of American forces will have a detrimental affect on Iraq, the middle east, and pretty much every country who buys oil from these nations. But we can't leave our forces there, either. No matter how you look at it, it's going to end with US troops being pulled out and there will be an aftermath. The question is then, what outcome has the least consequence? I agree that an immediate and complete withdrawal of American Troops is a bad idea, but it needs to be done. The troops can't stay in Iraq forever, and they've certainly overstayed their welcome by a few years.

right, AQ was everywhere EXCEPT Iraq....

[SCpoloRicker]

UN oversight of a pan-Arab, multi ethnic peacekeeping force numbering around 250,000 for six months. US air support, SF advisors, and command.

/kthxbye