One of the most disturbing articles I have read about Iraq.

[Lohman446]

So what if someone decides your families life isn't worth anything and decides to kill them? Still have a problem with it? You truely are a pathetic human being.

Are you saying we should help Iraq, or withdraw fully and focus only on our problems? I see a contradiction in your arguments. Do the Iraqi people have equal rights to you? Do they have the right to free and fair elections? Do they have the right to be protected from oppression?

As to my family, and this is slightly off topic but I need to respond anyways. The duty to defend my family is mine. I have the ability and willingness to defend it at whatever cost. I am not dependent on you, or the government to do that (thank God). Yes, I would defend my neighbor as well, as I trust he would defend me. Reliance on the government is a crutch.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Well, according to OBL the reason he attacked the US in the first place was because we were in Saudi Arabia. So, maybe our foreign policy and not our way of life has a little more to do with it. If we as a country spent a little more time on our own problems instead of trying to "cure" every one elses, we would be better off.

The fight them over there so we don't have to here thinking is a load of CRAP. Basically, we are saying it is ok to take over a country, and let every person in the world that wants to do us harm come and blow themselves up killing innocent people in the process. Basically saying Iraqi lives are worth less than ours. Am I the only one here that thinks that's worng?

Plus, the majority of violence in Iraq is not caused by so called Al Qaeda, it is caused by Suni/Shea confrontation.

One for three!

(A) The USA political/economic/military presence in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim lands was only one of several reasons that OBL and Al Qaeda attacked the USA. And not the reasn he listed as first either. In fact, it was number 6 (of 6) on his list.

(B) It is traditionally considered wise to fight your enemy on his home turf, rather than your own. Racism has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the strategically vital job of protecting your populatin and infrastructure.

(C) Correct. The Sunni-Shia situation in Iraq is analgous to the RC-Protestant situation in Northern Ireland, or the Serbian-Croation-Bosnian situation in the former Yugoslavia.

[Lohman446]

One for three!

(A) The USA political/economic/military presence in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim lands was only one of several reasons that OBL and Al Qaeda attacked the USA. And not the reasn he listed as first either. In fact, it was number 6 (of 6) on his list.

(B) It is traditionally considered wise to fight your enemy on his home turf, rather than your own. Racism has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the strategically vital job of protecting your populatin and infrastructure.

(C) Correct. The Sunni-Shia situation in Iraq is analgous to the RC-Protestant situation in Northern Ireland, or the Serbian-Croation-Bosnian situation in the former Yugoslavia.

But... but... they sounded good. I thought you were supposed to argue in sound bytes, that way you can "win". Its not about actually gaining knowledge or understanding, its about winning.