Mexican Immigration

[SCpoloRicker]

Damn Irish are taking all the jobs!!

/circa old times, when I wore an onion on my belt, as was the fashion at the time
//1st generation American, legally

[maxama10]

I have a buddy who works for a fencing company out of winnemucca nevada. They don't hire illegals, the mexicans in his crew get very angry when they talk about illegals jumping the boarder. They've waited all there life to get papers and then the others just jump the boarder and run.


I have Mexican friends at my school, they feel the same way.


Personally, I feel the same as the majority of you.

Good luck with your report.

[acropilot19]

I just arrested my umpteenth Illegal Immagrant Drunk Driver yesterday. This will be his sixth DUI in the last 9 years. The only bigger problem I see in our county (and probably the country) is the gangs composed mostly of Illegal Immagrants & children of absent same.

It would be really easy to hate the "Icon" that is the Illegal Immagrant, but at the human level, these are people that are just trying to survive.

The reality is, those people who would fight for the status quo, and our elected officials, enjoy such a dgree of seperation from the real trauma this situation causes, that they will never really be forced to act.

There is no word to describ the anguish that washes over you when you show up on scene and the drunk driver is sitting over on the curb being tended to by the Firefighters, and the child he killed is lying "over-there" in the street, having been "partially" ejected from the vehicle he cut in two.
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[Papa_Smurf]

I have a buddy who works for a fencing company out of winnemucca nevada. They don't hire illegals, the mexicans in his crew get very angry when they talk about illegals jumping the boarder. They've waited all there life to get papers and then the others just jump the boarder and run.


I have Mexican friends at my school, they feel the same way.


Personally, I feel the same as the majority of you.

Good luck with your report.

Thank you!

[Papa_Smurf]

I just arrested my umpteenth Illegal Immagrant Drunk Driver yesterday. This will be his sixth DUI in the last 9 years. The only bigger problem I see in our county (and probably the country) is the gangs composed mostly of Illegal Immagrants & children of absent same.

It would be really easy to hate the "Icon" that is the Illegal Immagrant, but at the human level, these are people that are just trying to survive.

The reality is, those people who would fight for the status quo, and our elected officials, enjoy such a dgree of seperation from the real trauma this situation causes, that they will never really be forced to act.

There is no word to describ the anguish that washes over you when you show up on scene and the drunk driver is sitting over on the curb being tended to by the Firefighters, and the child he killed is lying "over-there" in the street, having been "partially" ejected from the vehicle he cut in two.
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Very moving. But this can't be traced to just one race can it?

[grEnAlEins]

Speaking from my experiences with several of them this summer:

Most illegals are decent and hard working people. Other than their initial felony (the act of illegal immigration), they are decent people who live committing little to no serious crimes.

Some of them are problematic (criminally), causing a wide array of problems and sometimes gang activity.

Regardless of what some say, most of them have it tough. They struggle to raise their kids, often with both parent working multiple jobs. As a result, their kids sometimes become trash, especially without some sort of community involvement, discipline, or legitimate support structure. Without these they become deviant at low levels or start gang banging.

They do take advantage of all of our publicly and privately funded infrastructures. They do cause many problems, intentionally or not.

No DL/financial responsibility/MV insurance. You are effed--and royally so--if you get into a collision with an illegal if they are at fault (unless you have "un-insured motorist insurance").

IMHO:

We need to stop illegals from entering.

We need to deport the problematic ones.

We need to let the non-problematic ones earn citizenship; this cannot be an easy task that they can half-arse. It should be intensive and require some sort of retributive and restorative elements. They need to be intrinsically committed and motivated to learning American culture. They need to learn what it means to be a respectable, responsible, reasonable citizen in the USA. This means they make good on--or at least try to--the damages that they have done to society, be punished--although nothing too severe--for their illegal acts, and they need to be educated about the American way of life. Maybe also include a probationary period before full citizenship be granted.

Learning English cannot legally be made mandatory (we have not legally declared an official language here as of yet; but, I think for better and worse it is on the horizon), but it should be taken into account (extra credit).

We need to be reasonable, not too hippie-ish, but not too vindictive either.

[BeaverEater]

In Wisconsin its easier if your an illegal to get your drivers license than if your a resident. You have to prove your a resident with 2 forms of ID. If your illegal you just say you are.

Also the reason many illegals have to work multiple jobs to pay their bills is because most of the time they are getting paid less. A lot of business pay well below minimum wage and pay with cash. An illegal cant do anything about it but is thankful for the money. Theres been talk to allow them to sue their employers. As a result, employers would have no reason to hire them and pay them cash since they have to pay the same.

Most of the problem is with businesses providing them funding to stay in the country. Crack down on the businesses and the illegals will have no motivation to come and stay.

[maxama10]

In Wisconsin its easier if your an illegal to get your drivers license than if your a resident. You have to prove your a resident with 2 forms of ID. If your illegal you just say you are.

Also the reason many illegals have to work multiple jobs to pay their bills is because most of the time they are getting paid less. A lot of business pay well below minimum wage and pay with cash. An illegal cant do anything about it but is thankful for the money. Theres been talk to allow them to sue their employers. As a result, employers would have no reason to hire them and pay them cash since they have to pay the same.

Most of the problem is with businesses providing them funding to stay in the country. Crack down on the businesses and the illegals will have no motivation to come and stay.

Sounds like what Arizona just did.

[BeaverEater]

they've been talking about doing it for years, they've just started it but it will be a while before it becomes a threat.

[acropilot19]

Very moving. But this can't be traced to just one race can it?

No, and sorry if I insinuated. SoCal does have a larger problem with illegal immigrants, and the majority seem to be hispanic. The systemic problem I see is this large influx of one particular race, coupled with a societal moor that encourages social drinking. What is taboo here (drinking and driving) is more of a sport down there, and they bring that attitude with them to this country. I'm immersed in it so it is really the majority of what i see.

plus, the reality is, with poverty comes crime & drugs. The women come across to have their children, then leave them to grow up unattended while they work all day to make ends meat. hardly the environment to produce model citizens. gangs are easy, drugs are easy, work is hard- and so it goes...

[Aggravated Assault]

geekwarrior, nicely put.


Tho I'm just a hick from Illinois, and not some scholar or sage, I'd like to give this a whirl....



One of the angles I see it from is more a political one

It has already been mentioned, the costs illegal immigration has put on local, state, and federal governments...ranging from crime to education to the public health systems. Not to mention the security aspect in a post 9/11 world.

Generally speaking...In DC and state capitals, some represenitives of the people are fighting for more and more access [for illegals] to: public education, services, welfare, and rights reserved for legal citizens. There are states that have flirted with driver licences for illegals. Even the SCHIP bill recently vetoed had a provision (loophole?) for expanding some coverage to illegals. Business lobbies state and federal government with big dollars for less strict enforcement concerning the hiring of illegals.

Then to top it off, when enough people get concerned about illegal immigration to put pressure on their represenitives and even form a citizen watchdog group to help police the border...The government does what it does best: Lip service. Some politicians tell us we're a bunch of racists and bigots, just to play up to one voting bloc, while some make it look like they're doing something to play to the other. Pass some bills about tighting border security and fences. But, the jokes on us cause' they under-fund the programs.

The two entities that make (and/or shape) policy in america are our "elected" leaders and big buisness; Or rather, anyone who has enough money for serious lobbying. Apparently both want the status quo to stay the same in regards to our current immigration policy with mexico.

In a nutshell: If we keep the status quo it works out for both our political leaders and business: Cheaper labor and cheaper prices. Expense of doing business goes down. (ie. unemployment insurance, benifits, etc.) Expansion of voting blocks for certain political parties. Expansion of the US welfare state plays to the hand of socialist leaning politicians....and some politicians are just plain getting paid off to vote a certain way.

So what do I think of the illegal immigration?

It's all about Voters and Benjermans.

Damn Irish are taking all the jobs!!

LOL, I got stories about that....

/Great Grandfather came over from Ireland...

[mag79]

I am a first generation hispanic american from Dominican parent (non mexican), born and raised in Brooklyn. I never really cared about illegal immigration, my thought at the times were "let them in, who cares". But then I started paying taxes, and I guess it just opened my eyes.

They do spent money like we do, new/used cars, rent, groceries...etc. So they do contribute millions of dollars into out economy (much more goes to mexico I know). But then they leach onto out social services. School, medical, wellfare...etc, this goes into the billions.

Illega immigration is a real serious problem in our country, I'll admit I have many family member that are illigal. Some that are hard working and other that are good for nothing trouble makers. It bothers me how they get all these services for free when it break the bank for me and my wife and kids.

It's election time, have you guys heard any politician talk about immigration or the border. It was big news over the summer, but as we get closer to election time we will be hearing less and less of it. They wont tough this subject, they all talk a good game but when its all on the line it is too sensitive to touch. Democrat's want the votes and Republican's want the cheap labor.

We should penalizing all the companies that hire them, we say we do, but we dont. Many people harass the illegal but what about all those fat cats the exploit them to fill their pockets. Then they say that their helping the community, you want the help the community hire an american and pay them what we are worth.

Have you guys ever been to a third world country? And I'm not talking about the tourist area. Those places SUCK, but it still doesn't make it right for them to come over the way they do.

[trevorjk]

this pretty much sums up my views...

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[Whee McGee]

My girlfriend is an illegal immigrant. Was brought by her father along with the rest of her family. Her father has gained legal status, and is working on getting it to her and her mother. She's a full time student at CSUF, and has been working her *** off to pay for classes by herself. She wants to become a elementary school teacher, own a home, and make a living.

Do I see illegals as a problem? No, not really. Many (not all, but many) only come to make money so that their families can survive. They do that by doing the work many of us would never do. They're the largest force of manual labor here in California. They take the crappy jobs that we think are beneath us because they know that that crappy job will feed and educate their children. Poverty, gangs, drugs, and violence will always be a problem, in my opinion.

I do believe the process of legalization should be easier, and I blame the government (NCLB) on the fact that our education system is failing so badly. Do I believe they have a right to be here? Not sure, but I believe they should get a chance.

By the way, it'll be our three year anniversary in December, and I couldn't be happier.

[drg]

this pretty much sums up my views...

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Wow, that completely failed to instill any sympathy in me. The guy was asking for trouble and he got it. In a volatile situation, he chose to act like a douche.

Where's all the righteous indignation about someone defying the cops and getting hurt? Isn't it his own fault? Don't conservatives stand for personal responsibility? Ask yourself what makes him any different. As the guy in the end asks ... "how does it feel now?"