Mexican Immigration

[MagMan5446]

it means its good to learn two languages even though i can only speak it in the kitchen. \


by effect i meant directly effecting your well being, your family, and you ability to work.

[drg]

Wow, are you on crack. He has the legal right to extend his middle finger when ever he wants. You side with an oppresive police force and a group that ENCOURAGES illegal acts? Tell you what, google the US Constitution and read it a time or two, THEN maybe you will understand.

I am about as liberal as they come on some issues, but illegal means just that. Stay in your own Country and make that a better place to live, don't come here because we have enough of our own problems.

Go after the employers and make them pay a living wage so Americans CAN do those jobs we supposedly don't want. I don't mind paying more for my fruits and vegi's.

This goes for ANY illegal person. Don't care where you come from, you want to come here, do it legally.

Do note that I made no comment about anything other than the actions of the man who was acting a fool in a mob. Nowhere did I say I condone illegal immigration, or even that I condone the action of the cops. As a liberal you should know all about people conflating a limited position with a larger, often stereotypical position. It's a typical conservative affliction, of sloppy thinking, straw men and other logical fallacies.

My post is a deconstructive exercise. This kind of situation happens all the time, particularly during protests, and it ought to be instructive for people to see it happen to someone they agree with. Suddenly, when the person whose rights get violated isn't an antiglobalization protestor, environmentalist, journalist, Klansman, college student, etc., it's something to get up in arms about.

No, it is ALWAYS something to get up in arms about. That's what the ACLU is all about. And you know how much conservatives love the ACLU.

[trevorjk]

Do note that I made no comment about anything other than the actions of the man who was acting a fool in a mob. Nowhere did I say I condone illegal immigration, or even that I condone the action of the cops. As a liberal you should know all about people conflating a limited position with a larger, often stereotypical position. It's a typical conservative affliction, of sloppy thinking, straw men and other logical fallacies.

My post is a deconstructive exercise. This kind of situation happens all the time, particularly during protests, and it ought to be instructive for people to see it happen to someone they agree with. Suddenly, when the person whose rights get violated isn't an antiglobalization protestor, environmentalist, journalist, Klansman, college student, etc., it's something to get up in arms about.

No, it is ALWAYS something to get up in arms about. That's what the ACLU is all about. And you know how much conservatives love the ACLU.

wonts more deconstructive... 1 man putting a finger in the air. or millions not showing up for work, flooding the streets, and not allowing thousands if not millions of people who are actually doing something construction like trying to get to work

[gimp]

wonts more deconstructive... 1 man putting a finger in the air. or millions not showing up for work, flooding the streets, and not allowing thousands if not millions of people who are actually doing something construction like trying to get to work

I would be seriously angry if I had to drive through something like that to get to work. I guess they don't have anything better to do though. That seems reasonable. I guess.

[Mind'sEye]

You might want to do some research on the "Justice for Janitors" movement. It is an example of Latino illegal aliens displacing a unionized work force predominately made up of African Americans in Century City, CA. The office building owners busted the existing janitorial contracts by hiring illegals at very low wages. Now the illegals have organized and are fighting for higher wages and benefits. It's got some interesting twists of irony to play with.

[Papa_Smurf]

Well, the report went well today. When we reviewed as a class, it was said my group had the most compelling point. It was also said that it looked like I did all the work and the other members needed to step it up next time. Well, that should be expected when the teacher puts me in a group with all the slackers.


Mindseye, have you seen day without a mexican, staged in LA?

[geekwarrior]

by effect i meant directly effecting your well being, your family, and you ability to work.

lets see, i sit an extra hour a day in traffic because our construction cant keep up/wasn't planned for this invasion. remember day without an illegal? everyone called into the radio stations that day saying there commute was about cut in half.

I wait 8 hours in an emergency room with my sick son because ER rooms are closing down because of costs, and the ones open are overflowing.

I will be paying over $6000 a yr to send my kids to a private school so they can get a decent education.

is that freaking enough for you?!!! I can go on. I deal with it every day.

and all the BS about illegals doing jobs others wont. Did no one know how to cut there grass before, or do the dishes? its not that people wont do that job, they just wont do it for 5 an hour. they ARE taking jobs away....they have pretty much driven the middle class out of CA.

[maxama10]

Heard about this on the radio not too long ago. Was most pleased

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298396,00.html

Soon after a woman called in and told how her teenaged son promptly went down and was hired on the spot.

Seems to me most teenagers I know, at least in my town, have difficulty finding work. Could part of the reason be illegal immigrants take jobs? I think so.


Edit: If it wasn't obvious, I'm a teenager myself.

[maxama10]

yo trabajo in la cocina con personas blanco y negro y cafe y todo. a veces no me gusta espanol o nada pero es bueno yo hablo en espanol por que es bueno por me, like escuela. yo sabes dos lenguas.


i think if people are happy, they should continue to be happy. and other people should too. i think planet earth is a great place and i think a lot of worlds in this universe are prolly pretty bad. why dont you go travel or do something. these people take the jobs i wont. i dont wash dishes they do. and there is so much work around here IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THEY ARE ALOT that there is not one person without a job and you know what if there are jobs people can fill them at whatever price they want to work.

you ask an indian man about illegal immigration. i've done illegal things in my life. when illegal folks go to jail, they get deported. there is NO jail population of illegal immigrants and i know this cause i spent a lot of time there.

im not saying i like all mexicans. i like respectful decent hard working people. there is so many mexicans AND PEOPLE LIVE WITH THEM and i dont see how you people live such non understanding lives.

if they arent effecting YOU. then maybe YOU shouldnt worry about it. OH MY GOD MY TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR SOMEONES HEALTH. I DONT WANT HEALTHY PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD. this world is going through a stage called GLOBALIZATION maybe its time someone took an economy class.

First, whatever credibility you had was just lost in your incoherent rambling of a paragraph.
Secondly, read my post just above. You'll find that it DOES directly effect me and most everyone.
Lastly, I don't pretend to be an english major or expert, but I do try my best

[MichaelMcKen]

Wow, that completely failed to instill any sympathy in me. The guy was asking for trouble and he got it. In a volatile situation, he chose to act like a douche.

Where's all the righteous indignation about someone defying the cops and getting hurt? Isn't it his own fault? Don't conservatives stand for personal responsibility? Ask yourself what makes him any different. As the guy in the end asks ... "how does it feel now?"

While the guy did make an abusive gesture did it require the reaction that the police for some bizzaro reason decided to brutally attack a citizen while illegals were parading in the streets? I think not.

Yes, it was a stupid thing to do, but should not have elicited the response from the cops that it did.

[MichaelMcKen]

If any of you wish to read about some of the effects of this invasion read some of the writings posted here:

http://www.frostywooldridge.com/

[acropilot19]

Say What???

While the guy did make an abusive gesture did it require the reaction that the police for some bizzaro reason decided to brutally attack a citizen while illegals were parading in the streets? I think not.

Yes, it was a stupid thing to do, but should not have elicited the response from the cops that it did.

Dude appeared to be inciting a riot. I say "appeared" because the video could be edited to make us believe whatever the editor wanted.

But as it "appeared", he had the right to his guesture, but as soon as the PEACE is threatened, he MUST stop, or must be made to stop. Demonstrations like these (large groups with passionate causes) can quickly spiral into violence. Officers must react quickly. Ask-Tell-Make. Ask him to leave, tell him to leave, Make him leave. Its what we are trained to do, and the "Make" part is never fun, but always seems to end up in the news.

Please, Please, Please, do not buy what the media LOVES to sell- That Hot-Headed-Quick-To-Violence-Cop-Is-Your-Enemy-BS.

You are obviously ignorant of crowd dynamics & what Officers must deal with on a minute to minute basis. Those guys did a great job-and kept the peace.

[MagMan5446]

lets see, i sit an extra hour a day in traffic because our construction cant keep up/wasn't planned for this invasion. remember day without an illegal? everyone called into the radio stations that day saying there commute was about cut in half.

I wait 8 hours in an emergency room with my sick son because ER rooms are closing down because of costs, and the ones open are overflowing.

I will be paying over $6000 a yr to send my kids to a private school so they can get a decent education.

is that freaking enough for you?!!! I can go on. I deal with it every day.

and all the BS about illegals doing jobs others wont. Did no one know how to cut there grass before, or do the dishes? its not that people wont do that job, they just wont do it for 5 an hour. they ARE taking jobs away....they have pretty much driven the middle class out of CA.

uh...no

THAT IS NOT "freaking" enough for me. if your kids dont learn tolerance, than THEIR PARENTS are doing a bad job. you wait 8 hours in an emergency room anywhere you go. What do you know about living in CA? well i live in napa ca, and if i sit in traffic longer because more people are here to pick the grapes that run MY RESTAURANTS and MY ECONOMY, then so be it.

you are ignorant in your statements. this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job. YOU ARE WRONG.

if you go the the urban bay area, SF and Richmond and oakland, then you complain about the blacks. the blacks are doing this and ruining public school but that fact is that you are racist.

[wetwrks]

Dude appeared to be inciting a riot. I say "appeared" because the video could be edited to make us believe whatever the editor wanted. Please, Please, Please, do not buy what the media LOVES to sell- That Hot-Headed-Quick-To-Violence-Cop-Is-Your-Enemy-BS. Those guys did a great job-and kept the peace.

Inciting a riot? Looks like the riot was already in full swing. A protest that I would bet is being perpetrated by a good number of illegals (no not all of them are, but a fair number). They do NOT have the right to protest anything. That is a right only granted to citizens. They are impeding his right of persuit of happiness. As there are cars in front and behind him he obviously didn't go there simply to cause problems but was stopped by this mob.

Additionally what did those oh so fine officers do about protecting his personal property? The video shows them doing nothing about the individuals who damaged his vechicle. Fine officers there. I don't belive the police intended injury to the fellow nor do I belive they are "bad cops". BUT I don't belive they did their job. Their job is to protect the citizens of the US (ala protect and serve).

[wetwrks]

this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job.

Again, the ends don't justify the means. I don't mind people from Mexico being here. They simply need to do it legally. If "trying to find a better life" oks breaking the law then I will be first in line to make a .44 magnum withdrawl from the bank. And I will expect people like you to champion my cause that robbery is ok if you are trying to "better yourself".

I don't know if they are taking away jobs from anyone but they are certainly harming the economy by sending the cash back to mexico. They are harming the economy and my family by drawing on wellfare services that they don't pay in towards. They are harming private businesses (medical practices) by going for services that they never pay for. They are harming individuals by stealing others identities. They are harming other individuals and families by having auto accidents without insurance. They are harming society by the criminal groups they come here and form.