Mexican Immigration

[BeaverEater]

uh...no

THAT IS NOT "freaking" enough for me. if your kids dont learn tolerance, than THEIR PARENTS are doing a bad job. you wait 8 hours in an emergency room anywhere you go. What do you know about living in CA? well i live in napa ca, and if i sit in traffic longer because more people are here to pick the grapes that run MY RESTAURANTS and MY ECONOMY, then so be it.

you are ignorant in your statements. this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job. YOU ARE WRONG.

if you go the the urban bay area, SF and Richmond and oakland, then you complain about the blacks. the blacks are doing this and ruining public school but that fact is that you are racist.

Never in his quote did he ever mention a race of illegal immigrants, just that he hated illegals. Your jumping to conclusions that he is a racist and your focusing on playing the race card, not looking at the hard issues. Its not a race thing, its the mindset that people are willing to do illegal actions to benefit themselves.

[bornl33t]

Tolerance and racisms are two of the most over used words in the US.

[wetwrks]

Tolerance and racisms are two of the most over used words in the US.

Boy, that isn't very tolerant.

[tribalman]

you are ignorant in your statements. this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job. YOU ARE WRONG.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-stateshttp://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm, dated september 2k7.
" The number of unemployed persons (7.2 million) and the unemployment rate (4.7
percent) were essentially unchanged in September. A year earlier, the number of
unemployed persons was 6.9 million and the jobless rate was 4.6 percent. (See
table A-1.)"


ok. every one has a job, eh? 7.2M don't have a job. and there are 2 million comming in every year? ok.



and for the "stealing" jobs. yes and no. while it may not be jobs we want, or have, remember that at one time you were a 15-17 year old looking for a job. what was your first job? machinist? working at a resturant? what did you do, cook? probably a bus boy or a *shock* dishwasher. while it may not effect you now with your degrees and certs, it affects the ones currently trying to work to get into college, get a car, pay for random stuff.

i still find it really funny, i'm sure if the cops decided to ask for proper ID from the assembly, a good percentage couldn't do it.


*edit* oops, forgot to do the math on the stuff i found. using 301,139,947 as the pop. and the 4.7% unemployment, i actually get 14,153,577. double what i had quoted, so which is it? 7 million don't have jobs, or 14million. either way, enough people don't have jobs and what is going to happen if more people come in the U.S.?

and think about this, ~10 million people don't have jobs, what about their families? they are somebody's son/daughter, somebody's friend. don't they deseve a good future? don't they deseve the rights and freedoms given to them by their own government for citizens? WHAT IS YOUR ARUMENT NOW?

another edit, i was re-reading your post that i quoted. "oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN." so am i. how is this investing in their children? all that money spent on rent goes to the LANDLORD! not to an investment fund to help you parents have more money so you can have the good things in life like toys, health care, good schooling, proper clothes, not into something they can in turn sell if the market value goes up, not something that they can use to help build credit so if they are in trouble they have a fallback. my parents owned a house, we lost the house when i was 6, we rented for 16 years before we were able to buy a house again. when we were owning the house the 4 of us kids went to private school. aftwards we spent the rest in public schooling. the first 2 years in public schooling were all review. infact, even in the honors classes i happened to be enrolled in were not good for instructing children. it was more, homework, homework, no understanding the topic, just do the homework. you will pass because the 10 A's you have on your homework will bring that F on the test you had up to a passing grade. btw, just for some scale, there were 1k students in my graduating class. the school recently underwent a huge renovation(see completly new building and equipment for classes and sports) and the average price of a 1/4 Acr(sorry, it's really late and i'm losing my ability to spell) is 200k.

[wetwrks]

While I am at it, this whole thing about "jobs Americans don't want to do" bothers me. Frankly I don't buy that argument. I belive that the truth of the matter may be "jobs that Americans don't want to do at that pay scale". People need to remember that America has the Free Enterprise system. Obviously the pay needs to equal what the market will accept. By selling out those jobs to illegals, this creates problems for the entire system. It results in a lower payscale across the board for everyone. (Yes it also creats an artificially lower price for food too). But why should I make less money because a sector of society wants to pocket more cash by hiring illegals at a lower pay scale?

[tribalman]

Dude appeared to be inciting a riot. I say "appeared" because the video could be edited to make us believe whatever the editor wanted.

But as it "appeared", he had the right to his guesture, but as soon as the PEACE is threatened, he MUST stop, or must be made to stop. Demonstrations like these (large groups with passionate causes) can quickly spiral into violence. Officers must react quickly. Ask-Tell-Make. Ask him to leave, tell him to leave, Make him leave. Its what we are trained to do, and the "Make" part is never fun, but always seems to end up in the news.

Please, Please, Please, do not buy what the media LOVES to sell- That Hot-Headed-Quick-To-Violence-Cop-Is-Your-Enemy-BS.

You are obviously ignorant of crowd dynamics & what Officers must deal with on a minute to minute basis. Those guys did a great job-and kept the peace.

agreed. i do agree that the easiest way to de-escalating the situitation is removing one of the parties involved. now which is easier, the huge group, or the 1 person? i'm also in agreeance that either story could be told, a citizen has his govenment failed on him, or person causing trouble at a peaceful rally. and one thing i can't figure out, wtf is with the protester that shows up as the guy is on the ground handcuffed? "these people are my " blur. "they deserve an american dream" huh? are you involved with the motorist or just some dumb idiot trying to get their sign on tv/camera?

[PyRo]

How about this... I had a job landscaping two years ago making about $9.50/hr which is very low to begin with keeping in mind the average saleries around here and the high cost of living. My boss pulls me and one other of this three employees aside one days and tells us that we are being overpaid. He the proceeds to offer us $7.00/hr and we are to be taken off the books. Both of us quit and guess who was filling our jobs literally the next day?

Now who was saying no one is loosing their jobs over this?

[Aggravated Assault]

uh...no

THAT IS NOT "freaking" enough for me. if your kids dont learn tolerance, than THEIR PARENTS are doing a bad job. you wait 8 hours in an emergency room anywhere you go. What do you know about living in CA? well i live in napa ca, and if i sit in traffic longer because more people are here to pick the grapes that run MY RESTAURANTS and MY ECONOMY, then so be it.

you are ignorant in your statements. this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job. YOU ARE WRONG.

if you go the the urban bay area, SF and Richmond and oakland, then you complain about the blacks. the blacks are doing this and ruining public school but that fact is that you are racist.

Well, someones gotta start implying racism i guess. GJ.

Isn't it counterproductive to say "everybody" has a job? I don't care where you live, CA or FL, or NY, "everyone" does not have a job. period. end of story.

The question is what the percentages are, what segment of the population it is affecting, what kind of jobs are people being displaced from.


The excuse of "oh, they are just trying to find a better way of life, whats wrong with that?" really burns me. Its crap. I have a friend from Derry, Ireland. He lived here with a sponsor family when he was younger and has been back many times over the years. He WANTS to come here. He's hard working and wants that same "better way of life", you might say. Guess what: he cant. Not legaly. He wants to do this the right way and hasn't had any luck. He's terrified that if he just stays here under the radar, something may happen and he would get deported, then he's screwed. So he plays by the rules, now he's w/ his sister in England working to get enough bread to get back over here for awhile.

So, since you're ready to slap someone on the back and say "way to go" to the person who jumps the fence.... please tell me why its ok my friend gets screwed in his attempt to come to the US?

[maxama10]

uh...no

THAT IS NOT "freaking" enough for me. if your kids dont learn tolerance, than THEIR PARENTS are doing a bad job. you wait 8 hours in an emergency room anywhere you go. What do you know about living in CA? well i live in napa ca, and if i sit in traffic longer because more people are here to pick the grapes that run MY RESTAURANTS and MY ECONOMY, then so be it.

you are ignorant in your statements. this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job. YOU ARE WRONG.

if you go the the urban bay area, SF and Richmond and oakland, then you complain about the blacks. the blacks are doing this and ruining public school but that fact is that you are racist.

It's my guess, he probably lives in California...


And AO, we are obviously all wrong because he says so! Facts?

Did you just ignore me, or you had no rebuttal? I flat out told you, it is affecting me, and others. It is hard to find a job, for me and all my peers.

And way to pull out the racecard, usually I equate people who do that (for no apparent reason) with racism. So, imo you look like the racist now.

Way to degrade this thread.

/KTHXBYE

Edit: They should have invested in an English lesson for you.

[MagMan5446]

Well anyway i didnt mean to be hostile but when you have to send your kids to a different school because of a latino population it sounds a little racist. anyway no need to CAPITALIZE letters ha.

[maxama10]

Perhaps that was somewhat of a personal attack, sorry.

Still though, punctuation and grammar help convey your points a lot more clearly.

[teufelhunden]

*edit* oops, forgot to do the math on the stuff i found. using 301,139,947 as the pop. and the 4.7% unemployment, i actually get 14,153,577. double what i had quoted, so which is it? 7 million don't have jobs, or 14million. either way, enough people don't have jobs and what is going to happen if more people come in the U.S.?

Unemployment figures deal solely with those who are looking to and are able to work. Generally, it's able bodied/minded people over the age of 18, whom have not retired, iirc. As such, that makes for about 150,000,000 people, which supports the 4.7% being around 7m.

[lather]

[Altimas]

You described the situation beautifully Lather.

[Spider-TW]

You described the situation beautifully Lather.

That's how I feel too. The first thing I would like to see fixed would be the bilingual society. At a minimum it is inefficient, impolite, and a social barrier both ways. Immigrants should arrived prepared or at least willing to adapt. How can you be a citizen when you demand separation? Not knowing a language does not qualify you for special consideration as if you were handicapped. We require education of our natural citizens by law.

The second thing is border control. There have been cases in the news of chinese nationals and others picked up on the Mexican border. I'm not saying it's a large percentage, but try finding the bomber in the bus as it is. I've watched Mexicans walk up to ranch houses in south Texas and talked to Mexicans that make the trip every year. Database-wise, if the BATF can catalog every firearm sold in the US, they should be able to stick a number on every face that crossed the border without other documentation. Getting them to line up is the trick. The fact that we have many Honduran, El Salvador, and Guatemalan immigrants should make it obvious that this is not about the Mexican border, it is about the US border.