Mexican Immigration

[Pzippy]

My opinion about the bi-lingualness we have is this: past immigrants learned English, you should to. Speak whatever in your home with your family and friends, but please, learn the language.

The ones in the past did, the ones now should.

[geekwarrior]

uh...no

THAT IS NOT "freaking" enough for me. if your kids dont learn tolerance, than THEIR PARENTS are doing a bad job. you wait 8 hours in an emergency room anywhere you go. What do you know about living in CA? well i live in napa ca, and if i sit in traffic longer because more people are here to pick the grapes that run MY RESTAURANTS and MY ECONOMY, then so be it.

you are ignorant in your statements. this is not an invasion this is people trying to find a better life which you would do too. oh well. im middle class and my parents are too they've been renting a house for TWENTY YEARS. dont call that irresponsible call that INVESTING IN THEIR SIX CHILDREN. they aren't taking ANY jobs away because everybody has a job. YOU ARE WRONG.

if you go the the urban bay area, SF and Richmond and oakland, then you complain about the blacks. the blacks are doing this and ruining public school but that fact is that you are racist.

i don't remember saying anything about race, I said illegal immigrants. how does that make me racist?

why did you bring up tolerance? I'm suppose to be tolerant of millions of people breaking the law? or was that implied to me wanting to send my kids to a private school? if it is, you're dumber than I thought.

i'd rather get home an hour earlier and enjoy time with my family than have grapes and eat in a restaurant, thanks.

how is this not an invasion? it is millions of people entering our county illegally, stealing all our resources.

you're right, I would try to better my life if I was in some of these peoples predicaments. But I would certainly do it legally (like my parents did)

were did i call renting irresponsible....were the heck did that come from?

and where did I say anything about black people? the fact that you even mentioned that makes you racist.

you're ignoring all the facts- and you're trying to play the race card, and the pity story. we all get that. but the US can't keep supporting the influx of illegal immigration, and that's not debatable. we all know that they come here to work, we're not stupid. but they don't run our economy, and what they do contribute is much smaller than what they are taking.

here's an idea, why don't you open your home to 10-15 illegal immigrants. they can stay at your house, free rent. let me know, I'm sure I can arrange it for you. and if decide not to, please explain your reasons.

edit: you keep saying most come here to work. well, even if 5% join in criminal activity, that is too much. figure out what 5% of the total amount of illegals here is.

basically you're saying these people lives (list of victims of criminal illegals) aren't important enough to secure our borders.

[bleachit]

Well anyway i didnt mean to be hostile but when you have to send your kids to a different school because of a latino population it sounds a little racist.

thats because instead of reading what was written, you read what you wanted to see.


what was written:

"I will be paying over $6000 a yr to send my kids to a private school so they can get a decent education."

what you assumed:

"when you have to send your kids to a different school because of a latino population it sounds a little racist. "



there is a big difference, somehow I doubt you will see it though.

[Pneumagger]

I have been assigned to give a presentation on illegal mexican immigration. My report is all wrapped up, but I was curious as to some other peoples opinions or if you guys had some statistics I don't.

So please, share with me your views and ideas.

If you are going to give a statistic, please site your source.

Please don't post if you aren't capable of being mature on the subject.

Well I saw the title to the thread and the immediate phrase that entered my mind was, "Not enough ammo."
I'm sure you can deduce my stance on the issue and subsequent arguments.

[Papa_Smurf]

Well I saw the title to the thread and the immediate phrase that entered my mind was, "Not enough ammo."
I'm sure you can deduce my stance on the issue and subsequent arguments.

haha, Your post is always appreciated.

[Pneumagger]

haha, Your post is always appreciated.

Sorry, that thought really crossed my mind and i felt compelled to share it. In actuality, I do not advocate shooting at people in search of a better life - my stance is identical to Lather's and he said it more concisely than I could have hoped.

I believe the solution to the problem lies in the levying of fines against those harboring illegal aliens. A wall wont work and shooting at them won't work. They are risking their crappy life for American life because it's better here and worth wagering death to obtain. When seen from that (truthful) point of view, is a physical wall really going to stop them from trying? Or peple shooting at them? Both are merely deterrents, and immigrants already risk life and limb to cross the border in trucks and trains and desert hikes - changing the stakes doesn't make the choice different for most immagrants.

However we need to stiffen up the fines for employers and increase labor inspections. Make the fines around $10000 PER illegal employee and the odds of getting caught over 60% and it suddenly becomes not so worth it to hire an illegal immigrant. Heavily tax landowners renting to illegal immigrants - make it worth it to turn them away. If a naturalized legal immigrant is found harboring them, take away their amnesty and deport them. It shouldn't matter if they married an American, had a kid in the US, have a green card, are here on business, or whatever... threaten to take away what they worked hard to legally attain and they won't harbor their illegal amigos.

AND MOST OF ALL quit doing all the *crap* lather posted about and welcoming them with our amnesty. Telling them they are illegal and throwing cash at them isn't a good way to tell some one to get the _ _ _ _ out of our country.

Money goes alot further paying for inspectors and super-swift legal action rather than building a wall or arming the border for an extended period of time. Heck offer incentive rewards of $500 per illegal immigrant ratted out to citizens... that's a super cheap way of hiring agents all over the place. If I could get $5000 for reporting a family of 10 Mexicans I'd do it in a heartbeat. I would actually go around and do nothing but sleuth for illegals and turn my spare time into a second income.

[MoeMag]

[tribalman]

because in this nation we are so afraid of insulting anybody. you are illegal, GTFO, at which point they pull the race card. oh, you are white and wanna opress a *nationality here*? you are horrible!!

i hate that crap. stupid lawers have removed common sence from the masses.

[MichaelMcKen]

While it is enlightening for me to read and understand your perspective, the bigger picture is that the peace was threatened by the march being allowed at all. A person in this country illegally is a CRIMINAL. Isn't it a peace officer's duty to arrest / detain criminals?

So, here's a crowd of criminals and the police brutalize a citizen instead?

Just to give you some insight into why I have issues with this topic and stand on the side of the LAW.

I work in a food processing facility. Roughly 75% of our work force is from south of the USA. Of those at least 80% (from what the managers tell me) are in this country illegally. For years this has depressed our wages and led to burdens on our hospital (the only one for 40 miles), schools etc.. While I admit they are only here to make a better life for themselves and their families, it is at the expense of the citizens of this country. I'm talking about more than 400 jobs in an area where the largest town is 5,000 people.

Chew on that for awhile.

Dude appeared to be inciting a riot. I say "appeared" because the video could be edited to make us believe whatever the editor wanted.

But as it "appeared", he had the right to his guesture, but as soon as the PEACE is threatened, he MUST stop, or must be made to stop. Demonstrations like these (large groups with passionate causes) can quickly spiral into violence. Officers must react quickly. Ask-Tell-Make. Ask him to leave, tell him to leave, Make him leave. Its what we are trained to do, and the "Make" part is never fun, but always seems to end up in the news.

Please, Please, Please, do not buy what the media LOVES to sell- That Hot-Headed-Quick-To-Violence-Cop-Is-Your-Enemy-BS.

You are obviously ignorant of crowd dynamics & what Officers must deal with on a minute to minute basis. Those guys did a great job-and kept the peace.

[MichaelMcKen]

I don't know if they are taking away jobs from anyone but they are certainly harming the economy by sending the cash back to mexico. They are harming the economy and my family by drawing on wellfare services that they don't pay in towards. They are harming private businesses (medical practices) by going for services that they never pay for. They are harming individuals by stealing others identities. They are harming other individuals and families by having auto accidents without insurance. They are harming society by the criminal groups they come here and form.

I have heard reported that the sending of $$ back to Mexico from persons working in the USA is the 3rd largest part of their economy. How is this good for Mexico or the USA? It isn't.

Instead of protesting here, they should be in their countries of origin trying to make it better.

[Pneumagger]

I have heard reported that the sending of $$ back to Mexico from persons working in the USA is the 3rd largest part of their economy. How is this good for Mexico or the USA? It isn't.

Instead of protesting here, they should be in their countries of origin trying to make it better.

It's awesome for Mexico... their president openly criticizes the US for wanting to put up a wall and kick those greaseballs back over the border.

1) Mexican unemployment drops because they get jobs over here.
2) There are less Mexicans to support in theor own country.
2) Mexican families have more money to spend in their economy.

[Aggravated Assault]

So lets put this in perspective...If one were to take all of this at face value, ie. illegal immigration from mexico is hurting the US, what could be the reason our government is not putting a plan into action to remedy the suituation?

[BeaverEater]

they are not putting a plan in action because it helps businesses, and businesses have their hand in every politicians pocket.

[Pneumagger]

Americans, especially the politicians and media, are reluctant to be politically incorrect or (God forbid) offend somebody. They want to appear humanitarian and BFFs to everybody.

Frankly I'm sick of touchy-feely anti-offensive feel-good legislation and policies. The American delusion in it's pious existence is killing this country from the inside out. That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul in '08. Say what you want about the man, but he's the only one listening to the people... not playing to the media. In the end it may kill his campaign, but he has my vote.
I feel bad for the guy too... he's the only in the running who "gets it".

[BigEvil]

Americans, especially the politicians and media, are reluctant to be politically incorrect or (God forbid) offend somebody. They want to appear humanitarian and BFFs to everybody.

Frankly I'm sick of touchy-feely anti-offensive feel-good legislation and policies. The American delusion in it's pious existence is killing this country from the inside out. That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul in '08. Say what you want about the man, but he's the only one listening to the people... not playing to the media. In the end it may kill his campaign, but he has my vote.
I feel bad for the guy too... he's the only in the running who "gets it".

Great post.


It is seriously time to fix this issue. Instead of overthrowing countries in the middle east, I think its time to maybe send the Marines into Mexico. Either that, or put them on the border. If enough Mexicans stayed in Mexico, maybe they would eventually fix their problems.

However, as stated previously, Mexicans are not the only ones coming here illegally. People from just about ever nation south of us are.