New Life Shooting

[paintballfiend]

Dude, you can't blame society without blaming yourself too. Yes, I do think unavailable parents are at fault, but they can't help it either, since their parents didn't do what was necessary for them, and so on and so on...
Until the people of this country take responsibility nothing will change. All a person can do is try to better themselves and not worry about everyone else. Crap happens, it just does, that the way things go down sometimes. Is it horrible? Yes. Is there something you can do? Yes, you can continue living your better life, that's it.
And what about the people not willing to do what is necessary? Well, all I say is stand outside the blast zone and watch it all go to hell.

[Lomarandil]

No, it's a mainstream church, not a cult by any means. The security force is only a tiny part of the things the church does, so small that as I said, hardly anyone knew about it. Their childrens and disabled outreach programs are both hundreds of times larger than the effort put into security.

Lo

[acropilot19]

Wow, biggest load of tripe I have read in a LONG time. So it is society that ALLOWS single parent families? So what say you if a mom or dad dies? Should two parents stay together for the sake of the children? Would it amaze you to hear that divorce is a better option than haveing two parents going at it every night? Prob not, a prayer to god would make it all ok.... Would you make a law that makes people stay married or get married so there isn't a single parent family?
Our society ALLOWS abusive families? Where do you come up with this crap?

I for one think its a great thing that criminals are given "all the rights in the world". Maybe one day YOU may be the person charged, don't you want those same rights? Of course you don't but I and many other Americans do.

Yeah, your major point about our drug taking, sex crazed,violent movies is this.....IT'S A MOVIE, IT'S NOT REAL.

Our society WANTS out of wedlock babies? Wow, you really are out of touch. As far as wanting to kill them like weeds, how about you do what you want with your body, and let others do the same.

As far as YOUR family model, what is that? YOUR idea of a family model, may not be others idea. So tell you what, live YOUR life the way you want and let others live theirs the way THEY want.

Two gay people that have a child has NOTHING to do with YOU or your bible. My aunt raised 2 kids with her GAY partner, and they both turned out just fine. As a matter of fact, if you asked the kids (now in their 20's) they would tell you they were both happier when their parents got divorced and their mother found her wife.

As far as the violence, sex, and "drug use", I have a book you can read that is filled with it. It's called the bible.

Millions of people live in this world every day and don't follow your bible and some how THEY don't go off killing people. Don't blame this crap on the liberal media and lifestyle, this has NOTHING to do with any of it. As a matter of fact, so many guns on the street is actually a conservative issue, so how is it not their falt?

I guess I got the response I was expecting. I'll answer as much as I can...

"Divorce is a better option..."? Why'd you get married & have kids in the first place? Why are the "parents going at it"? Suddenly we just dont love eachother anymore? Guess we need to look hard at how society defines "Love" and marriage. Over 50% divorce rate tells me somebody aint gettin it.

The Human family model of a man and woman raising kids is derived from nature and has many reasons for being. Its the Yin & the Yang, Dude. Take one away and nature is no longer in balance. Two women raising a child? Sorry! Liberal society pushes this as "no different". B.S. A child learns by observation. How is a child gonna learn how a man & woman "should" interact if all they see are two women (or men) for much of their formative years? T.V.? They just supposed to get it on their own? A man brings certain qualities that a woman CANNOT replace, and vice-versa. Same with single parents, especially if they're gone all day makin ends-meet.

Criminals are supposed to have their rights taken away (the "Accused" should have protection of law & fair trial, etc...). What is the point of law if the punishment for breaking it is free room & board with cable tv & conjugal visits??? Whats wrong with HARD LABOR for convicts? Voting rights? Please! Death row for 20 YEARS?!? Tell me again why criminals should have rights?


"Itsa Movie, Its not real..." Where do you think all these single parent/ crappy parent kids get their guidence/ entertainment from??? Movies/ MTV/ Internet/ Video Games...I have yet to meet a 16 year old that is mature enough to handle the stuff our media poops out as "Entertainment" for children. Even most kids in their early twenties dont possess the emotional maturity required of adulthood.
Have you seen the movie "Superbad"? Kids watch that garbage and emulate it. Tell me that aint real, buddy.


"...our society wants out of wedlock babies..." See above paragraph. Media glorifies drugs and pre-marital sex. Society gives stamp of approval by not squishing this garbage out of existance. Porn as free speech??? allow the children access to this junk, and yah, society wants it.

Killin' Babies. Well I'm glad we can agree on what to call it. Hows about you get the choice to have sex or not, and live with the end result? I didnt tell you to have sex. Killing the child degrades the sanctity of life. Why is your comfort more important than a baby's life? What is the difference between Killing a Baby & Shooting someone in a church???
Explain this to me, I'd like to hear it.


My Bible? I dont remember citing a bible. My views are from 36 years of being alive, with seasoning from world travels as a member of our armed forces, and a few years on the road as a cop. I dont pull from a bible. I pull from life experiences, bounced against the good book for fact checking. I've seen what works, and what doesnt. I dont claim to have all the answers, but most are pretty obvious, all you gotta do is open your eyes.

[paintballfiend]

So what is worse, killing a baby or raising a degenerate?
And I have never meet someone who starter drinking/smoking/sexing/killing because of a movies/music/video games and I doubt anyone else does.

I agree children should not be exposed to certain things, but censorship is never good.

[Andrewliu6294]

Stephanie and Rachel were good friends of mine. Hits close to home. Some of the kindest and gentlest girls I knew, and coming from a family that has already been through a lot. I can't even imagine them and weapons in the same context.

Not many people knew of the NLC security staff, but they have been around for years, and are very well trained (almost all ex-military or ex-LE). It's a huge chuch, maybe 9-10000 attendees at their main service, and that's of 3 services. Praise God that Jeanne was able to take this guy down fast.

Ian "Lo" Ebersole

sorry to hear that.

I know if i lost any of my friends, i would be devastated.

These things have been happening more and more lately, and it sickens me. I know that I would try and do anything to protect the people I know, and even the ones I dont.

[beam]

So what is worse, killing a baby or raising a degenerate?

No way in the world is this a serious question. If it is...and please take this the right way...you just proved his point.

[robnix]

wtf kind of church needs an armed security guard

You'd be surprised. Churches can get death threats, and will even have undercover security at services that are packing under their church goin' clothes.

[paintballfiend]

No way in the world is this a serious question. If it is...and please take this the right way...you just proved his point.

Which one?

[AirAssault]

[QUOTE=acropilot19] I guess I got the response I was expecting. I'll answer as much as I can...

"Divorce is a better option..."? Why'd you get married & have kids in the first place? Why are the "parents going at it"? Suddenly we just dont love eachother anymore? Guess we need to look hard at how society defines "Love" and marriage. Over 50% divorce rate tells me somebody aint gettin it.

So what you're saying is you should stay married no matter what? People have been together for 25 years and decided their lives are going in different directions and decide to split. Same thing happens to some people after one year of marriage. It's called life. More harm is done to a child in a family "model" that fights all the time than the actual divorce, trust me, I know.

The Human family model of a man and woman raising kids is derived from nature and has many reasons for being. Its the Yin & the Yang, Dude. Take one away and nature is no longer in balance. Two women raising a child? Sorry! Liberal society pushes this as "no different". B.S. A child learns by observation. How is a child gonna learn how a man & woman "should" interact if all they see are two women (or men) for much of their formative years? T.V.? They just supposed to get it on their own? A man brings certain qualities that a woman CANNOT replace, and vice-versa. Same with single parents, especially if they're gone all day makin ends-meet.
Balance? Lol, there are animals that have same sex relations, so nature must be SOOO wrong. How about you ask the child of a same sex marriage instead of just blowing smoke out of your 4th point of contact. Sure, why not 2 men or 2 women raising a child, as long as it's a loving home that supports the child. Oh, you're one of THOSE people ...... Sorry to burst your bubble, talk to any homosexual and they will tell you the didn't LEARN to be gay they were BORN gay. My sister, a lesbian, was never around other lesbians but some how she always knew she was one, explain that. Did you ever sit and watch your mom and dad having sex? If so you're a perv, if not, how did you know how to do it? As far as not being a gay child and raised in a home with gay parents, they see plenty of hetero behavior, it surrounds them every day and every where. Our country is to bigoted to allow homosexuals to live freely and totally open. 2 people being together, getting married, raising children DOES NOT EFFECT YOU, so why do you care if that is THEIR situation? Do you think a child being raised in a home with homosexual parents is better off in a foster home? Again, how about you ASK the child.

Criminals are supposed to have their rights taken away (the "Accused" should have protection of law & fair trial, etc...). What is the point of law if the punishment for breaking it is free room & board with cable tv & conjugal visits??? Whats wrong with HARD LABOR for convicts? Voting rights? Please! Death row for 20 YEARS?!? Tell me again why criminals should have rights?
Sorry, but those really cool things called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights make sure your rights are protected as are those of the criminal. Our system is put into place to ensure the rights of every human, not just the good ones. Love it or leave it. I work in a jail so see it every day. Right or wrong, its a great system. Being a LEO, shouldn't you have a better grasp on these documents? Now, I have no issue with hard labor, but WE need to all work together to change the system.

"Itsa Movie, Its not real..." Where do you think all these single parent/ crappy parent kids get their guidence/ entertainment from??? Movies/ MTV/ Internet/ Video Games...I have yet to meet a 16 year old that is mature enough to handle the stuff our media poops out as "Entertainment" for children. Even most kids in their early twenties dont possess the emotional maturity required of adulthood.
Have you seen the movie "Superbad"? Kids watch that garbage and emulate it. Tell me that aint real, buddy.
I watched all kind of movies with sex, violence and all the other entertaining things you spoke of, yet some how I have never taken an AK to a church. Come to think of it, WAY more people have seen these same movies and NOT killed anyone over it. Don't blame the movies, video games, or TV shows, they didn't make the guy go kill people at a church.

"...our society wants out of wedlock babies..." See above paragraph. Media glorifies drugs and pre-marital sex. Society gives stamp of approval by not squishing this garbage out of existance. Porn as free speech??? allow the children access to this junk, and yah, society wants it.
When was the last time you saw a PSA telling kids to go out and get prego? I've never seen one, if you have shoot me the link so I can check it out. As a matter of fact, the "liberal society" thinks it would be a good idea to teach safe sex and birth control. Im sure you don't agree with that, but saying a prayer and hoping WILL keep kids from getting prego...... Yeah, that works really well. If we don't talk about it, nothing bad can happen right?

Killin' Babies. Well I'm glad we can agree on what to call it. Hows about you get the choice to have sex or not, and live with the end result? I didnt tell you to have sex. Killing the child degrades the sanctity of life. Why is your comfort more important than a baby's life? What is the difference between Killing a Baby & Shooting someone in a church???
Explain this to me, I'd like to hear it.
Well, seeing as I am a nurse and don't view abortion as 'killing a baby" that pretty much blows your point out of the water. If you take a loved one off life support and they die, did you murder them? Take away the life support, the EMBRYO/FETUS will no longer be able to continue to become a living baby. Now that being said, I don't really agree with late term abortions or partial birth abortions, but still don't want to see them become illegal. I also don't agree with using abortion as a birth control method, but it isn't YOUR body is it. Educating folks on birth control and safe sex practices is a far better option than not educating them and hoping for the best. Parents need to stop asking themselves WWJD and start checking into reality.

My Bible? I dont remember citing a bible. My views are from 36 years of being alive, with seasoning from world travels as a member of our armed forces, and a few years on the road as a cop. I dont pull from a bible. I pull from life experiences, bounced against the good book for fact checking. I've seen what works, and what doesnt. I dont claim to have all the answers, but most are pretty obvious, all you gotta do is open your eyes.
Pretty much all your views are those that your bible teaches, which of course can be learned without ever hearing about or reading the bible. Plus, there has been more violence throughout history because of said bible than for any other reason..... Is that the book you really want kids learning from?

I have been on this earth for 35 years, was a world traveler in the military and have seen just as much crap as you being a nurse, all be it on the back end of the act/situation. I some how feel very different than you. Difference is, I don't blame every thing else for bad things that happen, I blame ther person/persons that did the bad thing. Plus, statistics back my POV and not yours. IF yours was the correct one, hudreds of thousands of people would be out killing people with AK's, and that's just not the way reality is.

[acropilot19]

"So what you're saying is you should stay married no matter what? People have been together for 25 years and decided their lives are going in different directions and decide to split. Same thing happens to some people after one year of marriage."
Then why take the vow "for better or worse, richer-poorer, sickness-health, till death do us part"? I guess its all just hot air, eh? Going in different directions? What the heck does that mean? Marriage is about hard work, about the struggle TO stay TOGETHER. Dont take the vow if you aint got the inner strength to keep that promise. i look forward to that day, on our 50th anniversary, when I can look into my wife's eyes and say "I've only just begun to love you."


"Balance? Lol, there are animals that have same sex relations, so nature must be SOOO wrong. How about you ask the child of a same sex marriage instead of just blowing smoke out of your 4th point of contact. Sure, why not 2 men or 2 women raising a child, as long as it's a loving home that supports the child. Oh, you're one of THOSE people ...... "
Any scientist can emphasize any obscure finding to try and prove a point, as you just did. The thing about nature is, that which does not serve a purpose dies out, or is killed off. Same sex relationships are not self sustaining, I.E., same sex couples cannot reproduce. There is no natural purpose for this type of relationship. Thats why in nature its very rare. It is more prevalent in human society because modern society allows individual freedoms that dont necessarily better the species. I grant you this: A loving home is the best place to raise a child. But why is our society ok with the need to have gay couples raise children that obviously came from somwhere else?
So which is the better environment to raise a child; a happy gay home, or a happy straight home?

I LOVE this one:
]"Sorry, but those really cool things called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights make sure your rights are protected as are those of the criminal. Our system is put into place to ensure the rights of every human, not just the good ones. Being a LEO, shouldn't you have a better grasp on these documents?"[/COLOR]
Ahhh, but you didnt answer the question. A convicted criminal gives up his rights as a member of society for the duration of his sentence. This can even be the "Right to Life" if the crime so warrants. Yet there is a side of our society that would grant these convicted criminals (Yes, rapists, murderers & child molestors included) most of the rights of free society. See what the ACLU is doing to "Protect" these turds. There is that ongoing argument that no cable tv in prison is cruel and unusual punishment-pushed hard by the ACLU. This is an absurdity that is only the tip of the iceburg.


This one's even better...
"I watched all kind of movies with sex, violence and all the other entertaining things you spoke of, yet some how I have never taken an AK to a church. Come to think of it, WAY more people have seen these same movies and NOT killed anyone over it. Don't blame the movies, video games, or TV shows, they didn't make the guy go kill people at a church."
This stuff that you seem to think is "harmless entertainment" has a very degrading and desensitizing effect on people. You obviously are desensitized to violence because of your support for abortion. I can think of no more vile act in this world than to pull a baby from his mother's womb, then crush their skull with a pair of pliers. This is a "partial birth abortion" that you think should remain legal. I get sick just thinking about it. The same Liberal mindset that supports partial birth abortions would go APE-BONKERS if a doctor did that to any rapist/murderer currently in prison. THAT is Insanity at its finest.
Double to you on that one!

I'll end with this one:
]"Pretty much all your views are those that your bible teaches, which of course can be learned without ever hearing about or reading the bible. Plus, there has been more violence throughout history because of said bible than for any other reason..... Is that the book you really want kids learning from?"

Enough said.

[AirAssault]

Then why take the vow "for better or worse, richer-poorer, sickness-health, till death do us part"? I guess its all just hot air, eh? Going in different directions? What the heck does that mean? Marriage is about hard work, about the struggle TO stay TOGETHER. Dont take the vow if you aint got the inner strength to keep that promise. i look forward to that day, on our 50th anniversary, when I can look into my wife's eyes and say "I've only just begun to love you."
Do you honestly think that people get married planning to get a divorce? Your wonderful theory works great in fantasy land, but this is reality. There are lots of reasons that people get divorced, and staying together even though you don't love one another is just retarded, and to sit here and say you should stay together no matter what is also retarded. I hope you and your wife do stay togethere for 50yrs, as I hope my wife and I do, but it's just not the reality for every one. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Any scientist can emphasize any obscure finding to try and prove a point, as you just did. The thing about nature is, that which does not serve a purpose dies out, or is killed off. Same sex relationships are not self sustaining, I.E., same sex couples cannot reproduce. There is no natural purpose for this type of relationship. Thats why in nature its very rare. It is more prevalent in human society because modern society allows individual freedoms that dont necessarily better the species. I grant you this: A loving home is the best place to raise a child. But why is our society ok with the need to have gay couples raise children that obviously came from somwhere else?
So which is the better environment to raise a child; a happy gay home, or a happy straight home?
It's not an obscure finding its reality. Just because you're a bigot and don't like homosexuals, does not mean its wrong. Just because your bible teaches homosexuality is wrong, does not make it so. All relationships don't end with procreation. How about if one of the members is starile? Should they be forced to not get married because they cant have children? Should they not be able to adopt because YOU say there relationship is not valid because they can't have a baby? Im glad there are homosexual families raising children, that way maybe we can get less bigoted people in the world that live there own life instead of judging others and the way THEY choose to live. I feel it is no better to being a hetero or homosexual couple raising a child. If the household is loving and supports the child, why does it matter. You keep blowing smoke out your butt about things of which you have no clue.

Ahhh, but you didnt answer the question. A convicted criminal gives up his rights as a member of society for the duration of his sentence. This can even be the "Right to Life" if the crime so warrants. Yet there is a side of our society that would grant these convicted criminals (Yes, rapists, murderers & child molestors included) most of the rights of free society. See what the ACLU is doing to "Protect" these turds. There is that ongoing argument that no cable tv in prison is cruel and unusual punishment-pushed hard by the ACLU. This is an absurdity that is only the tip of the iceburg.
Sure I did, convicted criminals still have rights. I work in a jail, I know they do. The ACLU is here to protect us, it upholds the Bill of Rights. Now I know you and like minded people would like to trample all over the BOR and take away it's protections for Americans, but I am glad the ACLU is there. You are a LEO, what keeps you from simply trampling over some ones rights?

This stuff that you seem to think is "harmless entertainment" has a very degrading and desensitizing effect on people. You obviously are desensitized to violence because of your support for abortion. I can think of no more vile act in this world than to pull a baby from his mother's womb, then crush their skull with a pair of pliers. This is a "partial birth abortion" that you think should remain legal. I get sick just thinking about it. The same Liberal mindset that supports partial birth abortions would go APE-BONKERS if a doctor did that to any rapist/murderer currently in prison. THAT is Insanity at its finest.
Double to you on that one!
Lol, nice dig at me but again the smoke is pouring out of your butt. You will not agree with me on the issue of abortion, and I will never change your mind. How about you live YOUR life, let others live THEIRS and don't worry about what another person does with HER body. It has nothing to do with you. Plus, the difference between an unborn embryo/fetus and someone in jail are obvious. If you need me to explain it to you PM me. As far as your other issue, I know the difference between REALITY and A MOVIE. Judging from the hundreds of thousands of other people that see these movies and don't go kill someone, they do to. Your argument simply does not hold water. Now I know the morality police, such as yourself want every one to sit, read the bible and pray all day but again, thats just not reality.

Enough said.
Yeah, I thought you wouldn't be able to argue with me on this one because you know Im right.

All you have really done in your postings is show me and every one else that reads this is that you are a bigot, as far as homosexuals go, that wants to try and run the way others live their lives. You make statements that you have no knowledge of, such as it is better to raise a child in a straight home than that of a homosexual home. I have been around it, I have seen it first hand, which in no way makes me an expert but it does give me more knowledge than you on the issue.

The big issue here is mental health issues and the lack of treatment options. Look at all the mass shootings that happened lately, there is one thing that links them all, and its not being gay, being raised in a gay home, watching movies or the "liberal lifestyle. Good luck to you sir, with feelings and attittudes like yours, you're gonna need it.

[Army]

Thread got stupid.