Smith & Wesson M&P9

[Remington]

Just curious if anyone has had any experience with an S&W M&P in 9mm? I've been looking at the Glock 19, the S&W, and maybe Ruger's new SR9 (little hesitant on this one) and I would like to hear some opinions on any of those. So, let's hear 'em!

[paintballwannab]

I've shot a friend of mines, fine weapon. Easy to disassemble, good quality, my friend has had a few issues with FTF with certian HP's
I just didn't like the feel of shooting it, didn't sit in my hand well.

Glock....well its a glock, another fine weapon thats easy to disassemble and very reliable. Again though hold it to see if it feels right in your hand. They ride low in the hand which is great for shootability.

Ruger I know nothing about, sorry.


Also look into a Springfield XD, very similar to a glock but a smaller more comfy grip frame, a grip handle saftey. My favorite of all my guns.

[punkncat]

Yes I had the pleasure of shooting a couple of XD's in both .45 and 9mm and they were both superb.

[Lohman446]

I despised Glocks until I shot one - now I have two and am transitioning one into my primary carry weapon. Looking at third as well.

With the exception of my Sig Sauer they point and shoot more naturally than anything I have shot in a long time. But thats a subjective thing of course, I recommend you try them and see what works best for you.

Handling both I liked the feel of the Glock far better than the M+P personally.

Saw an add in one of the magazines that the XD is now available with an optional thumb safety. Haven't looked for one with it. My worry about the XD is you see a lot of used ones for sale compared to Glocks, thats telling me people are not as happy with them as they expected.

[Destructo6]

I've never been impressed with any of S&W's autos. They just feel like junk and have had a very poor reputation.

Of those that you list, the Glock seems best, but, personally, I could never get used to the grip angle.

Have you considered a SIG P226? I have an old one (W. Germany era) that feel great and shoots laser beams, even though it rattles like crazy..

[Pneumagger]

Just curious if anyone has had any experience with an S&W M&P in 9mm? I've been looking at the Glock 19, the S&W, and maybe Ruger's new SR9 (little hesitant on this one) and I would like to hear some opinions on any of those. So, let's hear 'em!

The M&P is a good gun... it's basically the older Sigma model with a very much improved trigger and better ergonomics. Pretty much like any other glock I've ever shot as well.
I'd have to reccomend a used glock simply because they are plentiful, reliable, and going to be cheaper because of supply.

If your looking for a plasic pistol, stick to Glock, M&P, XD and Khar.
I'd pass on the Ruger. Great revolvers, great rifles. Poor autoloaders.
("Poor" isn't the word I wanted to use... but I didn't want a warning)

The Kahr's are very good quality and great pistols for concealed carry. The only downside is that they are single stack so only have about half the capacity of others... but they are darned thin and compact because of it.
The XD's are pretty good themselves. OK aftermarket and good quality. Personally, I prefer the Glocks and M&P's over the XD's because the XD's seem bulkier and feel like the bore axis sits higher over my hand.

If your willing to waste money for the sake of brand-name, the Wilson Combat ADP is a very compact choice as well.
The fixed barrel system would be very accurate and conducive to accepting small boosterless Suppressors.
Plus it's a Wilson

To compound your choice even more, I highly reccommend the original S&W Sigma SW9VE.
It's basically an M&P that looks like a glock with a 12lb trigger pull. They can be had for $200-$300 new at shows and shops. They are very reliable for plinking and self defense.
If you can live with a heavy trigger pull, nothing beats it for the price. I got the SW40VE (.40s&w) for $200 and wouldn't hesitate one second to get an SW9VE for the same price next to an MSRP Glock or XD.
The triggers aren't quite as bad as people make them sound though... I can make a <6" group @ 10 yds if I shoot slowly for accuracy. .
(Granted, I can make 2-3" groups with my 1911 and ruger mkIII)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/080412_182629.jpg

[Lohman446]

I have a Sigma in 40 - its not the hard trigger pull that bothers me its the LONG trigger pull - it seems longer than my J frame revolver. It is so long I find myself actually adjusting my grip as I pull and that throws my accuracy into fits.

That being said they are probably one of the better guns for the money.

The problem I have with Kahrs is the number of failures to feed that one sees (and hears reported) during the break in period. While I agree every gun you might depend on for defense should be used and practiced with (including failure to feed / fire drills) I find the number of FFF in the Kahrs alarming. My Glock has never failed to feed or fire except in self induced failures for the purpose of drills (intentionally unloaded ammo). \

S+W keeps saying whatever pistol they introduce is "the next big thing". We heard it with the Sigma for instance. I don't buy it with the M+P until I see it.

[Spider-TW]

Just curious if anyone has had any experience with an S&W M&P in 9mm? I've been looking at the Glock 19, the S&W, and maybe Ruger's new SR9 (little hesitant on this one) and I would like to hear some opinions on any of those. So, let's hear 'em!

The quote is for me to stay on track...

I have had a Glock 17 for almost 20 years and it is still one of my favorites to shoot. I just traded a Sig P220 (.45) for a Glock 23 (compact .40, new). From that trade, I would add that a comfortable grip is not as important as a comfortable shoot (if you are looking at comfort at all). I traded the Sig because the grip angle put the pressure in the bottom of my hand instead of the web. Even with hogue grips, I couldn't keep the recoil consistent and the accuracy wasn't what I expected from a Sig or any 1911 (.45, .40 or 10mm). It's hard find someone else's gun to shoot, but if you can find a similar model with the same frame at least, I would try that.

For S&W, I've only shot the XD in .40. While the XD was more comfortable, the Glock sub-compact .40 (27) was more accurate for me. I would say it was my Glock sight trained eyeball, but my most accurate pistol is a ruger blackhawk. That was probably with +P ammo, so weigh that in.

**edit
I had a guy try to trade me a used Glock sub-compact in 10mm. It was a thought, for about a second. If you know you like 9mm's don't let anyone try to 'upgrade' you.

[Lohman446]

I've shot the G27 (40 subcompact) and found the recoil unacceptably snappy. I can't imagine the 10MM.

[Spider-TW]

I've shot the G27 (40 subcompact) and found the recoil unacceptably snappy. I can't imagine the 10MM.

Exactly. I bet that's why he still had it and not much else.

[Remington]

Thanks for all the great info guys! I think I've narrowed it down to the Glock and the S&W, with the Glock slightly ahead at the moment because it has a .22LR conversion kit available. With that being said, however, I read somewhere that the internals of the S&W are very similar to the Glock so my question is: anyone think a Glock conversion kit would work on the S&W? I'm guessing no, but as I haven't seen the internals of either pistol, I honestly have no idea.

[Lohman446]

I know a Glock slide will fit on the old Sigma frames. No that does not answer your question.

[Pneumagger]

Thanks for all the great info guys! I think I've narrowed it down to the Glock and the S&W, with the Glock slightly ahead at the moment because it has a .22LR conversion kit available. With that being said, however, I read somewhere that the internals of the S&W are very similar to the Glock so my question is: anyone think a Glock conversion kit would work on the S&W? I'm guessing no, but as I haven't seen the internals of either pistol, I honestly have no idea.

No, the barrels and barrel links links do differ enough that one cannot function the other.
I don't remember exactly, but one barrel fits in the other's slide but not visa versa.
And as Lohman mentioned, the slides do seem to fit the others' rails.
They are VERY close designs, but not interchangable.

A lil' history lesson:

Glocks are nice. Teh FBI usez teh Glockz... they must be teh shznit.
The S&W Sigmas enter the picture. People enjoy variety.
Glock sues S&W for design infringment. S&W sulks in contempt.
HS2000 lurks in the shadows.
S&W reintroduces the Sigma as the SW*VE model... the trigger pull is about 1/2" and 12lbs. People chastise variety.
Springfield imports the HS2000 from Croatia as the XD. A formidable opponent, the XD gains the people's approval.
S&W, remodels the sigma into the M&P. The problems they (purposefully) designed into the SW*VE have been removed. People commend S&W for the "new" great design.
All three pistols coexist peacefully. The venerable Glock, the young and budding XD, and the redheaded step-child M&P.

IMO, go to a gun show. Get a used glock. Buy a LWD conversion barrel.
You now have a dual caliber pistol that cost less than the others and also has quadruple the aftermarket choices - not to mention the negative/evil liberal associative connotations.

[paintballwannab]

Glocks are nice. Teh FBI usez teh Glockz... they must be teh shznit.

That and Glock offers one hell of a discount to law enforcement......a discount that can't be touched by any other company.

[SCpoloRicker]

H&K USP? I've got a full-frame 9mm, and I'm thinking of switching to the compact model. Love it, particularly the ability to switch from either lefty or righty for all the functions.