Decrim is up again

**Steelrat** · 07-30-2008, 11:00 AM

While limited government conservatives SHOULD be in favor of it, the ideological tilt of the right wing really makes it impossible.

**punkncat** · 07-30-2008, 11:21 AM

Never going to happen.

**SCpoloRicker** · 07-30-2008, 11:23 AM

Also, first person to raise the Commerce Clause gets an e-kick in the pants.

I really, really dislike how broadly that gets interpreted.

**Lohman446** · 07-30-2008, 11:29 AM

The Federal government has no authority to legislate it - I'm with Ricker on the BS reading of the commerce clause.

However, if states chose to do so that's the states business. Being an ethical hedonist I'm going to go with the consenting adults / no direct harm to non-consenting adults / no foul.

**kosmo** · 07-30-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by SCpoloRicker

Limited government conservatives (of which I would count myself) should be in support of this.

Comments?

/flame on

You only consider yourself conservative because you live in California. To the rest of us, youre still a left wing nut-job.

Anywho,
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**SCpoloRicker** · 07-30-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by kosmo

You only consider yourself conservative because you live in California. To the rest of us, youre still a left wing nut-job.

Probably so, but I'm considered card-carrying NEO-FASCIST-CON-BABYKILLER out here, so hopefully it evens out.

**Hilltop Customs** · 07-30-2008, 07:13 PM

Kosmo, ive never seen that be4....made me lol.

(IMO)too many companies stand to lose money if weed becomes legal including big pharm, they have too much influence to let that happen.....therefore officials will use every possible way to keep it illegal for as long as possible. Till then stay safe.

tobacco-addictive, creates dependence, kills you, legal
alcohol-addictive, creates dependence, kills you, possible to OD, legal
prescription drugs- widely abused, some highly addictive, little regulation to stop abuse, EASY TO OD(more common than all illegal drugs combined)....kills you
(when i say kills you I mean when someone becomes addicted to the drug and abuses in quantity)

marijuana-not addictive, not possible to OD, illegal, enforced as strictly as possible

why?

**billybob_81067** · 07-30-2008, 10:53 PM

I have one question... how do they claim it is non-addictive? Anything can be addictive if you're weak-minded enough to get addicted to it. People are addicted to Alcohol, Cigarettes, Paintball, Cola, Sweets, World of Warcraft, Coffee, Cosmetic surgery, the internet, television... etc.

So you're telling me that there's no way that a person can become addicted to pot... I call B.S because damn near anything can be addictive. Hell I'm sure if you got kicked in the nuts enough you might become addicted to that too... just wouldn't feel like yourself unless you got your nuts kicked to start your morning off right.

Most people that I know of that have smoked pot continue to do so, so there must be something that they enjoy about it that makes them want to keep doing it. That's like step one for some (weak) people to become an addict right there isn't it?

**questionful** · 07-30-2008, 11:27 PM

I'm pretty sure there's a biological (or neurological, one of those fancy words) definition of addiction. Something to do with dopamine? I don't know. . .

California FTW.

**pmstc** · 07-30-2008, 11:35 PM

I do not smoke, and I think that the criminalization of MJ is a huge waste of time and money.

But then again, what government bans aren't?

**Hilltop Customs** · 07-30-2008, 11:44 PM

I cant figure out a way to post the table, but heres the info off it.
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Relative Addictiveness of Common Drugs
(100=Most Addictive; 0=Least)
Drug, Rating
Nicotine, 99
Alcohol, 81
Heroin, 80
Cocaine (Nasal), 71
Caffeine, 70
Marijuana, 22

Conclusion:
(1) The most addictive drug, nicotine, is not only not scheduled, it can be purchased without a prescription by anyone over the age of 18.
(2) Cocaine is about as addictive as coffee or tea's caffeine.
(3) Alcohol is about as addictive as heroin.
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My bad for putting not addictive, I guess what I should have said was that chronic use does not lead to dependence like the other drugs listed.

Most people I know that smoke continue to do so also, but anytime someone needs to quit for a drug test, no money, or any other reason they have no problems quitting.....is it possible to say the same for coffee, cigs, alcohol, or even cola? From my experience it was harder for me to stop drinking cola than it was to stop smoking weed for 4 months for a hair drug test. And there is a million dollar industry solely for people who are addicted to nicotine and no longer want to smoke cigarettes.

**questionful** · 07-31-2008, 01:20 AM

I'm pretty sure that table is wrong. Where'd you get it? I think they're defining "addiction" much more differently than it's true meaning.

I'm pretty sure cocaine is theoretically the most addictive drug.

**kosmo** · 07-31-2008, 06:30 AM

Youd be wrong on that assumption.

**BobTheCow** · 07-31-2008, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by billybob_81067

I have one question... how do they claim it is non-addictive? Anything can be addictive if you're weak-minded enough to get addicted to it. People are addicted to Alcohol, Cigarettes, Paintball, Cola, Sweets, World of Warcraft, Coffee, Cosmetic surgery, the internet, television... etc.

So you're telling me that there's no way that a person can become addicted to pot... I call B.S because damn near anything can be addictive. Hell I'm sure if you got kicked in the nuts enough you might become addicted to that too... just wouldn't feel like yourself unless you got your nuts kicked to start your morning off right.

Most people that I know of that have smoked pot continue to do so, so there must be something that they enjoy about it that makes them want to keep doing it. That's like step one for some (weak) people to become an addict right there isn't it?

When people bring up the addiction argument, they mean that there's no known chemically addictive property in marijuana, such as nicotine in cigarettes. You are right, of course, that anything can become addictive through psychological dependence, but in this case, marijuana is not known to be physically addictive.