If you could change 3 things about the world..

[maxama10]

You do realize that I did not mention McCain.

However now that we're on the subject, it's amusing that Air Assault calls him Mcsame.

I know that has to do with Bush, therefore I have to point out that part of the reason the economy is the way it is is due to Clinton's irresponsibility in office.

You do know that he forced lenders to give loans to those who had no business buying the houses that they did? You do know that right?







"Fair Lending Act."

[Ninjeff]

Sure sure. But i was addressing your "angry rich black man" comment. Which, regardless of party affiliation, seems awefuly insensitive, and woefully single minded.

[maxama10]

Now did I say that was my stance? It could be, it might not be... however, the fact remains that this is reality.



Also, Air Assault, Palin would be a first... not unlike Obama

now that is change you can believe in

[drg]

All a person needs to do is put on a flag lapel pin and it means they love their country? Man, I thought I was safe just believing it in my heart and living it through my actions.... Anyone know where I can get a flag lapel pin?

The people you need to worry about most ARE the people that are wearing the pin and telling the rest of us that because we don't we hate this country. It was the same for anyone that spoke out about the war in Iraq. Well that dog just don't hunt anymore.

Obama's hope isn't that he is the only hope- it is the hope a lot of Americans have that we can turn this country back into the greatest country in the world instead of the laughing stock of the world. It is a hope that we can stop the massive corruption the last 8 years has brought us. It's the hope that, we as a country, will again do what's best for it's population and not what's best for big business. The hope that a president won't sit by and watch as 10's of thousands of people almost die because "Brownie was doing a heck of a job" except of course the job he was supposed to do which was being the head of FEMA (which he didn't do) You see we (Obama and his supporters) know this country deserves better than what we had for the last 8 years. That is the hope he speaks of. That is why he gets my money and my vote. (let's not forget the 84k people that came to hear his acceptance speech)
Take the time to educate yourself about the man and not just what you hear on fox news.

I know some of you won't vote for him because he is a dem.
I know some of you won't vote for him because he is a black man.
How about we stop voting along party lines and start voting for the best person for the job.... McCain of 5 years ago would be a great president, Mcsame of today is just a joke.

Amen to this and all you have posted above.

[drg]

Now did I say that was my stance? It could be, it might not be... however, the fact remains that this is reality.

Also, Air Assault, Palin would be a first... not unlike Obama

now that is change you can believe in

Palin was such a disrespectful pander to the base and perceived "disaffected" votes that both such groups should be incensed. But I don't think they even realize they've been insulted to their faces.

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BTW Air America... one of the reasons that people don't like Obama fans is because of the smugness meter going off the charts. Might try to tone back the Obama-is-perfect there.


/believes we're picking between a douche and a turd sandwich

[Empyreal Rogue]

I am thinking that because you wrote this, you think Obama doesn't? What proof do you have that JM "loves" his country? Is it how he has changed his mind on pretty much every position he has, simply to try and get elected?

Before I say anything I'm not a fan of either candidate running this year. And with that said, Barrack Obama is just as bad as that statement. I was a Clinton supporter and so I always followed a lot of things Obama said, and learned that he constantly flip-flops on issues. Obama has consistently changed his views on MANY topics and issues and 'coincidentally' (No it's not a coincidence), and every time he changes his mind on a view it's always to what is popular in America. And because he does that not many people seem to notice or care, because there's a candidate that's suddenly supporting literally everything that's popular in the majority of americans right now.

A lot of candidates have done that, but to my knowledge in my political history (Since Bill's second term) no one has been this bad. At least John McCain has the gumption to pick a side to an issue and stay there.

Oh looks like Robnix beat me to that comment. Oh well. :P

Sorry Pnuemagger but it's your pathetically sad attitude, and that of people like you that are the problem. How about we turn YOUR house and yard into glass? What makes people in the middle east so different than you? Is it the color of their skin? Is it their religion? Or are you just so much of a biggot at this point you forgot why you hate them? What makes your attitude any different than the religious zealots that wish to do others harm? Nothing. You simply live in this country so in typical American fashion, you feel you are right.

The day attitudes like yours change is the day this world starts being a better place to live......Hate is learned, it isn't part of who we are. Sorry something in your life went so wrong you feel the need to hate entire countries of people.

Joe, I've always liked you so don't take this personally, but I have to agree with AirAssault on this one. There's a considerable lack of world-wide tolerance and quite frankly that sickens me. As someone who is going into a field where I can't allow my personal beliefs to contradict my client's, I honestly have a hard time fathoming up respect for your view. It's so outrageously narrow minded, violent, and down right disgusting I almost feel like vomiting. And I'm not even a full on liberal or democrat.

[Ninjeff]

Out of curiosity, wouldnt it be GOOD to have a canidate that tries to do what the MAJORITY of americans feel is what they need at any given point? I mean, is that the very IDEA democracy is founded on?

No offense, but im pretty sick of having government thats "sticks to its guns" no matter what the population is saying they want to do. Thats not a democracy at all.

When did this whole "flip flopping" thing become so backwards? Its one thing to tell the population that voted for you that "i beleive in roe vs Wade" and then vote to oppose it when no one is looking. Its another thing to say "Well, i dont think Roe v Wade is right, but the People do..." and then support it based on that fact.

Example: Obama doesnt agree with same-sex marriage, but he knows the people that vote for him DO. So if he signs a bill saying its ok, he isnt a "flip flopper" he is just doing what the people put him there to do. In other words, he is doing his job.


Oh, and on the "love his country" thing....well, i love the Houston Texans, but that doesnt mean i'd make a very good quarterback.

I think Obama loves his country as much, if not more, than McCain. Just in a different way.


Also, just for my own personal clarification, and education, what has Obama changed his position on?

[Hilltop Customs]

the thing is they can say anything to agree with the public now, its what they do in office that matters.

I wonder what is most important to a politician, doing whats right ethically, doing whats right in the public's opinion, or doing whats right for corporate america. The last 2 have massive benefits, do what the public likes and you can get re-elected...do whats right for corporations and get massive donations and kickbacks(you know it happens).....but whats the benefit to doing things that are ethically right? maybe thats the problem

IMO the campaign system needs a complete overhaul, right now its setup to earn money, not inform voters. Which is really more important?


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[drg]

Out of curiosity, wouldnt it be GOOD to have a canidate that tries to do what the MAJORITY of americans feel is what they need at any given point? I mean, is that the very IDEA democracy is founded on?

No offense, but im pretty sick of having government thats "sticks to its guns" no matter what the population is saying they want to do. Thats not a democracy at all.

When did this whole "flip flopping" thing become so backwards? Its one thing to tell the population that voted for you that "i beleive in roe vs Wade" and then vote to oppose it when no one is looking. Its another thing to say "Well, i dont think Roe v Wade is right, but the People do..." and then support it based on that fact.

Example: Obama doesnt agree with same-sex marriage, but he knows the people that vote for him DO. So if he signs a bill saying its ok, he isnt a "flip flopper" he is just doing what the people put him there to do. In other words, he is doing his job.

Oh, and on the "love his country" thing....well, i love the Houston Texans, but that doesnt mean i'd make a very good quarterback.

I think Obama loves his country as much, if not more, than McCain. Just in a different way.

Also, just for my own personal clarification, and education, what has Obama changed his position on?

You have made a home-run point here ... exactly what I was going to say, only better. "Sticking to your guns" ain't worth a damn thing if you are wrong. In fact it's that much worse if you refuse to change when you should.

I'm really surprised that that old yarn still exists anyway, what with people "electing" Bush based on one thing and him basically doing the exact opposite. He ran on a platform of unity and tolerance but now leaves the country more divided and intolerant than ever. Word is, he was actually like that before the national party got ahold of him. I'm surprised anyone believes a word Republicans say these days, let alone gives them the mantle of integrity.

[custar]

I'm surprised anyone believes a word Republicans say these days, let alone gives them the mantle of integrity.

Your brush is a little broad there, isn't it?

custar