2nd amemdment

[grEnAlEins]

I don't think a ban is a good idea, don't take me wrong. I am in favor of gun ownership. I do have riffles and shotguns back home and if a ban were to happen and we had to destroy all firearms, i would not hand them over. I just like to analyze and question both sides of the medal and i am open to other peoples arguements. I know where i stand, but it's never a bad thing to get the input of others even if i don't always agree.

I do beleive there should be a limit set somewhere. For example, I don't see a use for claymore mines, hand grenades and mustard gas for home defence. Sure we can say "i should have the freedom, the right to have those items in my home, no one can tell me what to do in MY home", but there is also a responsability for the operator's safety, more importantly, the safety of the bystanders. I actualy don't care what happens to the owner if he was reckless, i do care for the innocent bystander though. Like i don't care for the guy that made a hole with his gun, but i do care about the woman. I know it's not a nice thing to say, and you can tell me that that's "rediculous", but that's how i honnestly feel.

I know that explosives and poison gas are not the best examples, but without limits or laws, legally, they should be allowed. It would still not feel right in my book. Personaly, i wouldn't have a 8year old in the same house as a live grenade even if it's in a safe place and legal. "Legal" isn't a synonym for "safe". Like you mentiened earlier, kids can find anything in a house.

It's like in elementory school when one student is bad, everyone pays for it. The population is too big to start giving exceptions to certain people so general rules have to be set. I dislike that as much as you do, but that's how it's done. I do agree that criminals are not regulated by laws and can get their hands on explosives, automatics, you name it, they have it. For that reason, you should have the right to own the tools to protect yourself accordingly.

I agree with your lack of regard for the careless detailed above. To be honest I did not see that one coming with your name above it But I agree 100%.

As for drawing the line somewhere, you are dead on accurate, but doing so requires the utmost in thought and consideration for all possible circumstances. Most people do not do this ever, let alone with regard to emotion subjects such as this.

And in the spirit of what this thread is now about....

[maxama10]

Tied into the theme of weapons is training and related to training is your new mandatory civil defense training that Rahm Emmanuel and Obama are now planning. Ages 18-25 would be required to do 3 months (I assume all in one period) of some sort of civil defense training.


so high school students 50 hours mandatory
then 18-25 year olds will have 3 months mandatory civil defense training
college students optional 100hours community service for $4000 break on tuition


I'm not necessarily opposed to the civil defense training because I do believe a number of people stand to benefit from it, myself included, but it is quite ehhh radical.


Change is coming folks.

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[grEnAlEins]

The idea of training is not a bad thing.

The idea of force training is a bad thing.

I would also like to point out that we cannot be just as effective if we are disarmed.

If Obama has done a 180* and would support the RTKaBA I would be happy. If he implemented a voluntary training program for civil defense I would support it. I would love to see him pull a JFK and give "a nation of Minutemen" speech and expand voluntary participation in and funding for the CMP, I would be ecstatic. This might be a very good thing, or it might be the worst possible thing. Time will tell.

Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.

Something else to consider:

I would never invade the United States. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.

This could be a great thing to have a voluntary or even incentive based civil defense training. I have already done a great deal and hold several home and classroom based certification from FEMA.

that said if it is a forced situation and used inappropriately, this could be the worst situation in our history. Like I said above this could be either the best or the worst thing to happen to the United States in a long time.

[grEnAlEins]

Oh, and also

[bryceeden]

Obama is an idiot 150%, all his talk of main street wealth and creating jobs then he decides that one of his first things hes going to do is make an executive order that will put millions out of work. I have no doubt that he would ban guns despite saying he wouldn't, however given the supreme court is still conservative and has already ruled that the DC hand gun ban and such are unconstitutional as well as the 2nd amendment being an individual right the question is at this point can he? Will enough of Congress back it?

[Spider-TW]

Have they mentioned his attorney general yet?

I still remember the Reno years.

[grEnAlEins]

Have they mentioned his attorney general yet?

He has not picked yet, and his choice would need to get approved.

also give this a read:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/15625