for those wanting a new self defense pistol

[fire1811]

I shot a Judge the other day. Pretty sweet

[bryceeden]

The Judge is a gimmick, the 410 is about the worst self defence round you could find especially when shot from a pistol. It might kill a small snake out by your fence, but not a person. It might hurt, but thats about where it'd stop.

I've not got any expiance with the 5.7 round, but I've heard good things about it. I've thought about picking up a fiveseven, but I'd like to try one first.

For normal concield carry I'll stick with my P230, and for everything else my P250.

[p8ntbal4me]

It might not kill what your aiming for, but it'll surely hit it.

Im not into weapons that dont kill.

Call me old fassion,... but last time I checked,... people who rob your house and you shoot them but they live to tell about it end up 80% of the time winning a law suit against you. (correct me if I am wrong).

I live in NH BTW,...

Ive done my time behind a rifle and Ive been places I would like to forget when I get older,.... If a little punk wants to come into my home and take something,... I have a Benelli Shot Gun behind my door and a 92FS strapped to my night stand for such occation.

I welcome the un-welcomed

~ P8nt

[grEnAlEins]

people who rob your house and you shoot them but they live to tell about it end up 80% of the time winning a law suit against you. (correct me if I am wrong)

I am not sure on the percentage, but they do indeed win with at least some frequency. One win is one too many IMHO.

[Lohman446]

I am not sure on the percentage, but they do indeed win with at least some frequency. One win is one too many IMHO.

They or the estate wins, the number I was told in the courses was roughly $132K average settlement by your insurance company to the criminals family. THe insurance companies don't take it to trial.

[Lohman446]

Magnum Research makes a 45/70 revolver

[fire1811]

I dont shoot to wound.

[grEnAlEins]

Magnum Research makes a 45/70 revolver

45 govt is for men among men. 3,450 Ft-lb is quite the impact

[91Foxtrot]

Is it just me or is this a case of 'everything old is new again'? I remember seeing a 45/410 revolver in a gun shop around 13 years ago.

Also, I don't have any experience with 410, but the situation they are marketing the pistol for involves being about 3 feet max from your target. Would a Carhartt stop the shot at that distance?

[Lohman446]

Is it just me or is this a case of 'everything old is new again'? I remember seeing a 45/410 revolver in a gun shop around 13 years ago.

Also, I don't have any experience with 410, but the situation they are marketing the pistol for involves being about 3 feet max from your target. Would a Carhartt stop the shot at that distance?

The Thunder Five I remember those.

I would bet (not my life) that a Carhartt at that range would stop (or make totally ineffective) a 410 shot shell from that short of a barrel.

[Pneumagger]

Edit: Closest I've seen to AP is the m855 ball, steel cored, I've seen it a few times on different sites.

Just about all 5.56mm flavors penetrate soft armor like butter. The m855 penetrator only helps with hard armor.

A big killer of soft body armor is velocity.
For example, a 9mm long SMG will penetrate soft armor with a higher probability than a 9mm fired from a pistol barrel simply due to the extra velocity.

[maxama10]

Just about all 5.56mm flavors penetrate soft armor like butter. The m855 penetrator only helps with hard armor.

A big killer of soft body armor is velocity.
For example, a 9mm long SMG will penetrate soft armor with a higher probability than a 9mm fired from a pistol barrel simply due to the extra velocity.

Now I wonder who has one of those?

[Steelrat]

From what I understood you could still get a hold of it, and it was not illegal to buy.

I may be mistaken though.

The ammunition was not restricted for civilian sales, since it is not legally recognized as armor piercing by the ATF. Nonetheless, FN chose to withdraw the SS192 from the market and replace it with the SS196SR, but the SS192 is not banned and is still available in the open market. The SS196SR's performance against armor is diminished due to a heavier varmint bullet (leading to lower muzzle velocity) and a polycarbonate tip that promotes expansion and fragmentation upon impact.

SS192 was the original civilian-spec ammo. SS190 is the AP ammo, which was never available to civilians. SS192 was pulled also because of it's AP properties, but it was never made illegal to own. FN just stopped making it.