Socialism One and All!

[punkncat]

This situation is so regretable. I am holding out hope that the lawyers will be able to hold this thing up into oblivion. Simply put, our country cannot afford to realize such a lofty ambition. Even if it were the right thing for a "free" nation to do anyway....

[Frizzle Fry]

[Lohman446]

I love the people who have threatened to move to Canada over it . They amuse me.

[Frizzle Fry]

I love the people who have threatened to move to Canada over it . They amuse me.

The handful of former Canadian citizens I know have all intimated in one way or another that this is a baaaaaad idea.

[govnamac]

10 state Attorneys General already are filing lawsuits claiming that forcing people to buy insurance is unconstitutional.

[punkncat]

10 state Attorneys General already are filing lawsuits claiming that forcing people to buy insurance is unconstitutional.

From what I understand, GA is among them, as well as already working on a bill to make GA residents exempt.

[going_home]

Florida Attorney General: health care reform violates the Constitution

10 state Attorneys General already are filing lawsuits claiming that forcing people to buy insurance is unconstitutional.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/03/florida-attorney-general-healt.html

Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum says he and eight other states' attorneys general plan to file a lawsuit against the reform bill approved by Congress.

On another note, according to the evil Fox Radio news today, Bill McCollum already has the lawsuit drawn up, on a PC, and within 4 minutes of Osama signing the bil he will click "send" and file the lawsuit electronically.

[ArmyEngineer]

Usurpers.

[...] All experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.[...]

Nancy Pelosi is 70 years old. (Plastic surgery much?) No legislation that she pushes will even effect her. Why is she even in politics? She should be in the Museum of Natural History next to the Dodo.

[Lohman446]

I can see the argument. The government does not have the authority to require me to purchase something from a private company just to live. They got away with Auto insurance under the theory that you don't have to own a car, but this is different

[Frizzle Fry]

I can see the argument. The government does not have the authority to require me to purchase something from a private company just to live. They got away with Auto insurance under the theory that you don't have to own a car, but this is different

Correct.

Even in the "People's Republic" of Massachusetts they didn't think it was constitutional to require people to buy insurance, so they just added a $900 fee/penalty yearly for any taxpayer that doesn't have it, and sought out organizations to make cheaper (not as good, but cheaper) health insurance available. Hypothetically, the money goes toward the ER costs accumulated by uninsured people who don't pay full in full. I can't say I love it, but in a state robs people of their rights on a daily basis it's a surprisingly genteel and well thought out approach.

[CatoRockwell]

You want to fix the healthcare system? How about releasing all healthcare to the free market? The reason medical care is so expensive is because every time the government gets involved, they do 2 things, make everything more expensive, and create state sanctioned monopolies.

You who say the republicans are just as responsible are right. ```` them both! If the government raiding my paycheck (which I work ```` hard to provide for my family) to pay for someone else's healthcare isn't socialism, then what is?

I'm sick of every lazy parasite in our system whining about their "fair share". Guess what? I work for my share. It's hard too, especially when I'm getting taxed 30% of my income.

Guess what liberals? You keep thinking that with all these socialist laws that you are going after the Fat Cats. Nope, you are screwing over the middle class, the small businessman who is trying to compete. You are so convinced that all problems stem from the greed of the rich, that you can't see that the real problem is a general feeling of entitlement in today's world. Do you know what the "land of opportunity" means? It doesn't mean a free ride, it means that you can come here, work hard and make a brighter future for yourself and your children.

Guess what conservatives? There is almost no difference between your leaders and the Democrats. You keep telling yourself that you are voting for the lesser of two evils, you know that your leaders ````. But it would be sooo much worse if it was a Democrat. Both sides of the aisle are Collectivists, they argue semantics, but generally agree on one thing: That the Government should rule every aspect of our lives.

Has anyone thought to ask the question: Should the government do anything? Instead of constantly asking, what should the government do to fix our problems. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I'm sick of the Nanny State. I'm sick of having a bunch of worthless parasites telling me how to live my life and spend my money.

The sad part is, I think there are a lot more people out there just like me. We just keep our mouths shut, because we think we are the only one's asking the same questions. Unfortunately, public education and the media have done such a good job over the last 100 years of ramming nationalism down our throats (which was part of the reason Hitler took Germany), that we are blind to the obvious truths, the principles our forefathers fought for. We refuse to do as they did. To fight for our freedoms.

Read about our forefathers, they didn't fight for some misguided idea of nationalism, they fought for their ideals. Sure they didn't always agree on the best way to uphold them. However, they generally agreed that each individual man had the right to determine his own destiny. Read the Federalist & Antifederalist papers, read the constitution convention notes. None of them were concerned about the best way to force people to be, they were all concerned about the dangers of encroachment on freedom.

Until we realize, the lies we are being fed, wake up and start focusing on our ideals instead of party or flag, we will lose everything that was so precious to our fathers.

[BigEvil]

Cato - I think you like most people out there go under the false assumption that they are really trying to fix things. If you look at the history of the progressive movement, and the years of libtard programs under the 'great society' all you will find, is that problems they were supposedly going to fix only made them far worst.

So we either need to believe that the people in power are eitehr so foolish as to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again with the same miserable results,

or

We have to believe that they are doing this on purpose.


Once the majority of the public realize that this is true, then we can really start to fix this mess, by whatever means.

[chafnerjr]

Now that's what I'm talking about.

[CatoRockwell]

Cato - I think you like most people out there go under the false assumption that they are really trying to fix things. If you look at the history of the progressive movement, and the years of libtard programs under the 'great society' all you will find, is that problems they were supposedly going to fix only made them far worst.

So we either need to believe that the people in power are eitehr so foolish as to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again with the same miserable results,

or

We have to believe that they are doing this on purpose.


Once the majority of the public realize that this is true, then we can really start to fix this mess, by whatever means.

Why wait for the majority? Our founding fathers didn't. The majority will follow as they always have like sheep. It takes the dedicated few to DO something. I've been reading a lot about Samuel Adams, I think very few of us truly understand how important he was in getting America to the point of Secession from England.

[SCpoloRicker]