Socialism One and All!

[CatoRockwell]

Well it looks like we are officially the United Socialist States of America. How does everyone enjoy our new government? Oh wait, this isn't new this is just one more nail in the coffin that has been our liberty.

So what do we do? Just sit back and let this happen? Our forefathers put their lives, fortune, everything on the table. Should we expect any less from ourselves if we want our freedom back?

They've proven time and again that they could care less about what we as a people want.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

So what now America? do we act like a herd of submissive weaklings, too fattened by our carnal security to do anything about it?

I'm sorry if this is too inflammatory of a thread, but come on people!

I don't care if you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc... Do you really want to live in a country where we no longer have any say in our government? So the Obamacare flops on its head, so they put it in as a finance bill, twist a few arms, bribe a few fat worthless politicians, and wallah! It passes!

[bornl33t]

My prayer is that lawsuits will hold this at bay until 2012. Hopefully we can vote to CHANGE it back. If not, lets HOPE the people will realize it's time to act-decisively and swiftly.

[MoeMag]

[BigEvil]

Just wait and see how things 'change' when this goes into full effect. If you own any type of buisiness with employees, your costs are going to skyrocket. Either insure your employees, or the IRS comes after you. This is going to drive the economy underground.

[chafnerjr]

Oddly (and though I great disagree with the vote) the vote was representative. Meaning that our elected representatives in the house and senate have passed (what I believe is unconstitutional anyways) this hideous step towards losing the best (though not perfect) health care system in the world. In the end it's all a white wash that will cause economic turmoil for some great length of time... luckily this should be held up on constitutional grounds and put the nail in the coffin for very very many senators/representatives and with any hope our current presidents next campaign. It's time to start thinking about the next vote ladies and gentlemen! Man do I wish the tea party was a real political movement rather than a bunch of disassociated opportunists.

Viva 2012

[teufelhunden]

Midterms in 7.5 months.

[wico90]

we were already partially socialist before. if you want i can tell the fire department, police department, road workers, public librarians, and the usps to stop working if thatll make your life easier


and its not unconstitutional read the constitution some time itll help you understand

[CatoRockwell]

we were already partially socialist before. if you want i can tell the fire department, police department, road workers, public librarians, and the usps to stop working if thatll make your life easier


and its not unconstitutional read the constitution some time itll help you understand

Actually it is, because the constitution is an exclusive, not inclusive document, meaning that anything it doesn't specifically list is not authorized.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The USPS is authorized by the constitution
Police, Firemen, etc... are state functions, not federal. Despite funding from the Federal Government, and regulations imposed on them by the Federal Government, which needs to end. They do exist legally under the constitution. Now a National Police Force, etc... is not authorized.

But it has been socialist for a while. Maybe we can wake up and fight for our freedoms. If American's care about that antiquated idea of Individualism anymore.

[CatoRockwell]

Man do I wish the tea party was a real political movement rather than a bunch of disassociated opportunists.

That's because, everyone is too scared to say what everyone is really thinking... No one wants to be the one to come out and suggest the forbidden...

[BigEvil]

That's because, everyone is too scared to say what everyone is really thinking... No one wants to be the one to come out and suggest the forbidden...

A 3rd party will hand the democrats control of the country for the next 50 years... the Tea Party needs to work within the Republican party in order to straighten it out, not divide it into two ala Ross Perot in 92'

[CatoRockwell]

A 3rd party will hand the democrats control of the country for the next 50 years... the Tea Party needs to work within the Republican party in order to straighten it out, not divide it into two ala Ross Perot in 92'

I'm not talking about a 3rd party, think deeper into your most frustrated moments with our country... you'll find the answer there.

But seriously, if the Republican Party wants to work things out with the Tea Partiers, all they have to do is stop being a bunch of middle ground moderate wimps. We are more than happy for consolidation, but we are not surrendering our freedoms just for the sake of Unity.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[Tunaman]

197 more government agencies to impliment this program...
thousands of bullcrap government jobs.....
16000 IRS agents to enforce it...
pay taxes to pay for it 4 yrs in advance.......
free healthcare for Illegal aliens...
Time for the Libs to go...forever.

[SCpoloRicker]

Insert generic copypasta email that will be making the rounds. Also, double-plus good points for the "well-regulated militia" and "tree of liberty" folks. Hi FedMods, by the way. :dodgy:

[BigEvil]

I'm not talking about a 3rd party, think deeper into your most frustrated moments with our country... you'll find the answer there.

But seriously, if the Republican Party wants to work things out with the Tea Partiers, all they have to do is stop being a bunch of middle ground moderate wimps. We are more than happy for consolidation, but we are not surrendering our freedoms just for the sake of Unity.

Oh, im right with you sparky.

[Army]

And they laughed at the few of us that said this would happen.


Who's laughing now?