Socialism One and All!

[drg]

Wake me up when something bad actually happens. This is all in your Beck-addled heads.

[zondo]

The handful of former Canadian citizens I know have all intimated in one way or another that this is a baaaaaad idea.

Canadians are pissed because where are they going to go for decent health care.

[VailSkibum]

Wake me up when something bad actually happens. This is all in your Beck-addled heads.

Don't worry. I won't wake you on Nov. 2nd.

[CatoRockwell]

Wake me up when something bad actually happens. This is all in your Beck-addled heads.

I believed in freedom long before Glen Beck even was on the air.

You don't think this is bad, thats fine by me. You enjoy your socialist cup of tea, as for me and the obvious large group of people who believe in freedom. I don't plan to idly sit by and lose everything I hold dear.

[drg]

I don't plan to idly sit by and lose everything I hold dear.

Such as ...

[Lohman446]

Hush, your getting in the way of talking points drg. He used evil words like socialist, that's enough .

PS: you are so late, the federal government over stepped its boundaries a long time ago, and most of the time they use financial means (tax and hand out) to continue to hold power they should not have.

[blake20]

I'm not happy

Well I'm sure not happy about Obammacare, I have argued against it so many times and on so many forums I'm tired of it. I think Joe Biden was correct in what he said. "This is a big ####### deal. The problem is the American people are the ones who got said Screwing!!! I think we need to repeal all of this bill and all of the revisions that the Liberal, Progressives, Socialists, what ever name they are going by this week, have put forth. I did hear 1 funny line come from this.

Who do I need to see about getting on a Death Panel? I know of a few people that need to be gotten rid of.

[CatoRockwell]

Such as ...

Hmm... where do I begin?
1. The right to keep and bear arms
2. The right to the fruit of my labor (thats a pretty all encompassing one, do I need to go into detail?)
3. Right to privacy
4. My right not to be taxed without representation

Theres a few.

I know that we've had our rights violated more than anything through taxes. I'm just wondering what's going to be the final straw before American's wake up.

[Tunaman]

Subject: Fw: From a Florida ER doctor dm


I decided I wouldn't forward anything else--but with so many of our hard working citizens in dire financial troubles, this needs to be told.





I am forwarding this.

Having spent three weeks in a hospital in Naples, Florida with my wife I couldn't help noticing what was going on in the hospital and I had a lot of time to talk to the doctors and nurses about what I had observed. Below is a commentary from an ER Doctor. Do you think this might be a big reason our health care system and our social security system are so screwed up? Do you think this might be a big reason our taxes keep going up? Who do you think these people are going to vote for?

From a Florida ER doctor:
"I live and work in a state overrun with illegals. They make more money having kids than we earn working full-time. Today I had a 25-year old with 8 kids - that's right 8; all illegal anchor babies and she had the nicest nails, cell phone, hand bag, clothing, etc. She makes about $1,500 monthly for each; you do the math. I used to say, "We are the dumbest nation on earth." Now I must say and sadly admit: WE are the dumbest people on earth (that includes ME) for we elected the idiot idealogues who have passed the bills that allow this. Sorry, but we need a revolution. Vote them all out in 2010. "

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IN NOVEMBER 2010, WE HAVE A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN OUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND ONE-THIRD OF THE SENATE!

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This is an insult to all of us...

Get mad and pass it on - I don't know how, but maybe some good will come of this travesty.

If the immigrant is over 65, they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than a woman on Social Security, who worked from 1944 until 2004.

She is only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924 and there's a 'catch 22.'

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890. Each can also obtain an additional $580 in social assistance, for a total of $2,470 a month.

This compares to a single pensioner, who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the refugees cut back to $1,012 and the pensioners up to $2,470. Then we can enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years. And not to receive a increase for 2010 Vote them all out of office.

Please forward this to every American to expose what our elected politicians have been doing for the past 11 years to over-taxed Americans.
SEND THIS TO EVERY AMERICAN TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

[bornl33t]

My wife works in a hospital as a RN/BSN. Her 4 year degree cost her over 10,000 a year above what she could afford to pay. When we married I got stuck with 30,000$ worth of debt that we've been chipping away on ever so diligently. What makes me mad is that she is now after 3 years on the job just a hair above $40k and I ask her was it worth it? On top of that the hospital this year gave the nurses their biggest raise ever at a whopping 3%. We are expecting our first kid. Since I work anywhere from 8-12 hours a day it is likely we will need to pay for daycare. The irony is that daycare will cost us around 50$ a day and that's CHEAP. You tell me if she should keep her job?

Last week she had a patient who I believe was from Somalia. She had been in the states for less then a month and was having a baby. Because she has no insurance the hospital will likely end up picking up the tab and pass it on to those of us receiving treatment that's paid for by our insurance Co. On top of that she can't speak a lick of English so now the hospital is providing her with a translator to the tune of $40 a hour that we pay for. Well this lady gives birth almost killing her baby because she pushes when the doctor tells her not to push and all is not well. Some thing is wrong with the baby. The babies blood work comes back it has TB and so does the mother. My wife was in the room the whole time along with 7 other nurses who were all exposes to TB and my wife is pregnant. She cried for the rest of her shift. Needless to say now the whole floor knows we are expecting. So far no one on the floor came down with TB thank God.


Now when this new health care bill starts to go bust like SS and medicaid are they going to start a new program? Or now that the government pays the bill are the hospitals going to get less money for each claim? If the hospitals get less money do you think my wife is going to get the same money? Take into consideration how many nurses and support staff in hospitals will be in the same boat. Do you really think that you will get the same care for your money as you did back in 2010?


edit: for the lulz
"So They Just Passed A Health Care Plan Written By A Committee, Whose Chairman Says He Didn't Understand It, Passed By A Congress That Exempts Themselves From It, Signed By A President Who Smokes, With Funding Administered By A Treasury Chief Who Didn't Pay His Taxes, All To Be Overseen By A Surgeon General Who Is Obese............... And Better Yet, It Is To Be Financed By A Country That's Broke!"

[SCpoloRicker]

Insert generic copypasta email that will be making the rounds. Also, double-plus good points for the "well-regulated militia" and "tree of liberty" folks.

And, here.... we... go!

[wico90]

Hmm... where do I begin?
1. The right to keep and bear arms
2. The right to the fruit of my labor (thats a pretty all encompassing one, do I need to go into detail?)
3. Right to privacy
4. My right not to be taxed without representation

Theres a few.

I know that we've had our rights violated more than anything through taxes. I'm just wondering what's going to be the final straw before American's wake up.

Everything you quoted is set forward in the constitution and if it has been violated take it to court. You can have a gun..but why do you need somthing that the military uses?? Everyone pays taxes, its a part of the US deal with it. Your privacy has been infringed more by the PATRIOT act than anything else.

[CatoRockwell]

Everything you quoted is set forward in the constitution and if it has been violated take it to court. You can have a gun..but why do you need somthing that the military uses?? Everyone pays taxes, its a part of the US deal with it. Your privacy has been infringed more by the PATRIOT act than anything else.

1. It says my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, they are being infringed. Why would I want a military grade weapon you ask? The main reason our founding father's wanted to defend this right wasn't against "burglars" it was against a tyrannical government. It was to safeguard our ability to defend our rights from the government itself.
2. The 16th amendment allowing the federal government to impose an income tax was never ratified by the states, making it null and void. It is a violation of state's rights, additionally taxes go to paying for socialist programs such as Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, etc... which the Welfare clause in the constitution does not authorize the government to do, despite their idea that it is a loose interpretation.
3. Privacy rights have been violated by the government ever since the establishment of secret wiretaps, CIA, etc... But yes the Patriot Act is almost a word for word reprint of laws hitler passed.

[XM15]

Lets see Obama care just cost Cat and John Deere $150 million each in added costs this year. I'm guessing American motorcycle icon HD will be hit the same on top of the $20 million extra Wi dinged them for haveing thier HQ here . Yes, Dems are focoused like a laser on jobs for China.

[chafnerjr]

Just listen to what John Conyers (House Judiciary Committee Chairman) makes up about the bill being constitutional. After a year of debate this is what he comes up with?

Here's the video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0VYO...layer_embedded

For one there is NO SUCH THING as a "good and welfare" clause. Perhaps he meant one of the "two" places that welfare is ACTUALLY used in the constitution.

The first is in the preamble (NOT A CLUASE)

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The second is under section 8, article 1 defining the powers of the Legislative Branch (ALSO NOT A CLUASE)

"Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Apparently he thinks that this is enough to allow the US gov. to FORCE you to buy into their plan or fine you/your busienss.

Now now, even John Conyers and his fellows backing Obamacare are actually using the "Interstate Commerce" Clause to force this onto us... at least that's what the proper documentation is pointing to. For those that don't remember, the interstate commerce clause was designed to stop states like Virginia from taxing products made in New York and so on.

Most of these folks seem not to know anything about the 10th AMENDMENT! That's right the final statement in that great item we call our "BILL OF RIGHTS"!!! The 10th amendment states simply:

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This one is pretty simple. The constitution DOES NOT GIVE the federal gov the power to force the general pop. to BUY a product of ANY KIND. Though they do have the right to tax... which they do already. It's called Medicade/care (Which we are still going to pay for)!


THIS GUY IS A LAWYER TALKING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT MAKES THIS BILL CONSTITUTIONAL AND THAT IS THE ANSWER YOU GET!?! IT'S PRETTY MUCH "ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE I TALKED TO SAID THERE ISN'T A PROBLEM"

WHAT ISN'T WRONG OR DISTURBING ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE HERE? WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT THIS HEALTH CARE BILL IS GOOD OR BAD... LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR RIGHTS AND OUR CONSTITUTION. THERE IS A REASON THOSE POWERS WERE LEFT FOR THE STATES. IT IS IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU A VOICE OVER YOUR OWN LIFE.





P.S. For the sake of academic honesty I should site my sources as "The United States Constitution" in case someone missed it.