Unrealistic movies that make you mad-Army see what you think

[Hasty8]

Originally posted by talls


The pressure is a good point; however, these people are trained to deal with this pressure and while it may be hard to comprehend but you can get used to such things.

Talls. You are right up to apoint and then you contniue your decision on a assumption. While soldiers are for the most part taught to shoot they are not taught to shot under the stress of an actual combat situation.

Sure, there are "live fire" drills and such but no one is actually shooting live ammunition directly at them.

And in regards to competition shooting. Two clips at 30 yards and can't hit a bowling pin, huh? No imagine that bolwing pin is juking and jiking with a fully automatic ak-47 and hurling grenades at you. How accurate do you think you could be?

Me? I'ld be quaking in my boots and crying for my momma!

[talls]

And in regards to competition shooting. Two clips at 30 yards and can't hit a bowling pin, huh? No imagine that bolwing pin is juking and jiking with a fully automatic ak-47 and hurling grenades at you. How accurate do you think you could be?

Point taken; I guess I was just looking at it from a civilian standpoint instead of the contrary. I have never really thought about what I would do if I knew someone was shooting at me, but I think that is one of those things that just is an instinct based on your character. What I mean by this is a coward that acts tough in normal situations, when put into the extreme acts like a coward because that is the way they are. I hope what I am saying is making sense. I really love having discussions like the one we are having now that are civilized yet let you voice your opinion, unlike Pbnation. Anymore opinions?

[Navy Seal]

Originally posted by Hasty8


Talls. You are right up to apoint and then you contniue your decision on a assumption. While soldiers are for the most part taught to shoot they are not taught to shot under the stress of an actual combat situation.

Sure, there are "live fire" drills and such but no one is actually shooting live ammunition directly at them.

And in regards to competition shooting. Two clips at 30 yards and can't hit a bowling pin, huh? No imagine that bolwing pin is juking and jiking with a fully automatic ak-47 and hurling grenades at you. How accurate do you think you could be?

Me? I'ld be quaking in my boots and crying for my momma!

He launchen grenades at me, id throw some his way too! Also use an M-79 launcher.

[Hasty8]

Hmm. Intersting that you bring up the concept of cowards and such.

My grandfather was a bombadier during WWII and got to know quite a few characters due to his experiences in Europe.

He has a saying that goes something along these lines:

"A hero is simply a cowrd who moved left when they should of moved right."

Now don't get me wrong. There are people who are hero simply by going to work in the morning. Police and firemen and Emergency Medical works and the like.

Also, parents who just toe the line and teach their kids to be their best I also consider hero's.

I think I understand your point but can you do me a favor? Can you tellme what mine was? I forgot it.

[talls]

Originally posted by Hasty8
"A hero is simply a cowrd who moved left when they should of moved right."

I think I understand your point but can you do me a favor? Can you tellme what mine was? I forgot it.

My grandfather was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed and he told me something along the lines of that. I understand what your point is perfectly...You are saying that the only true difference between a hero and coward when the *edit* Feces impacts the oscillating wind generator is basically a snap judgement. This ties in with what I was saying because that snap judgement comes from the way that person truly is.

Heres an example...A man diving on a grenade in combat to save his fellow soldiers doesn't have time to think about it. So he has to deep down understand that giving his own life will save 5 or so more. But a different person that is extremly selfish and has little respect for anyone might jump away instead of saving the other lives. I hope that is what you meant because that is sure what I got out of it.

[Hasty8]

Sort of talls but also remember that people can change gradually or in a single moment.

Did you see the Neverending Story? Remeber when Atryu was going to see the Southern Oracle and had to pass the Second Gate.

It was there that people learned the truth about themselves. Decent and giving people discovered that they were truly mean and evail. Heros dicovered that they were truly cowards.

Honestly, we hardly even know ourselves.

[talls]

I forgot all about the Neverending Story; it has been years since I have seen that.

Honestly, we hardly even know ourselves

Now that is one statement I am in total agreement with.

[Zumina]

Saving Private Ryan wasn't accurate
In the beginning,we see the invasion of Normandy, and Tom Hanks arrives at the beaches. But the strange thing is that the beaches weren't taken until invasion wave 3. There were 3 waves of invasion waves. The first wave were all but slaughtered...few of the men survived. But because there are NO dead bodies on the beaches when Tom Hanks and his men arrive we assume he is with the first wave. But Tom Hanks and his invasion wave take the beaches...

Jackson clearly fires more than 5 rounds from his 1903 springfield, a gun whose bullet capacity was only five rounds

By the time in the second world war that Private Ryan portrays the German Air Force was mostly destroyed, Therefore most panzers were fitted with anti-aircraft guns on the commanders cupolas to provide some means of defence. These are clearly not present in the film

Miller's Helmet bears the two bars which denote him as a captain, however, this way of identification was abandoned well before the onset of WWII, as it made any American officer "Sniper Bait".

[Thor the Mighty]

well, in the time hanks took that one pillbox thang, there could have been more waves coming, and being slaughtered, and that only shows one part of the beach, not the whole thing

[AutoMaggot]

I dont think Apocalypse now was technically wrong anywhere. Equipment-wise it was dead on... including the steril uniforms of of the MAC-V soldiers. Situationally, all it did was highlight the oddities of the war itself... dont bash such a great movie Army...

[oldsoldier]

making me mad

Ok, i have served in the army most of my adult life. True, unrealistic movies are just that. But it is often the little things that i pick up on. For instance, "hollywood" magazines. I HATE it in movies when they shoot forever without reloading. Also, the fact that no one aims. That annoys the hell out of me, and whoever has sreved in the military, knows how much they stress the "five points". Also, bad guys all die when shot, good guys get wounded. LOL. nuff said on that.
On to stress and target aquisition;I too have shot plate and bowling pins. True the stress of time, and the guy next to you, his brass bouncing off of you, can wear on you, it isnt the same as people yelling, no ear plugs, smoke, confusion, and all the associated things that go on in the "fog of war". When we go to the range, we do 25 pushups to simulate the adrenaline rush of combat; faster rate of breathing, accelerated heartbeat, etc. Granted, you cant simulate everything, but you do what you can. One last thing;reloading. You see it more now, but I used to hate seeing movies in which no one ever reloaded. It is easy to empty a magazine really fast under stress. Try reloading it under that same stress though. It is a pain. We do a lot of MOUT training here. Two things we practice the most are target aquisition and reload drills. Anyway, I have to get back to work. You all take care, and sorry for venting.

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Ok, also put this into play. I saw We Were Soldiers, I liked the movie a lot. I noticed some things though....In Vietnam they used Ar-15's and They used the early models of the M-16's. The ealier models Jammed really bad from what I have heard and saw on the History Channel. I did not see one guy hasseling with his weapon TRING to get it un-jammed. So what Im wondering is if they just decided to leave just some little deatails out of the whole movie.?

[Army]

§on, (someday I'll figure out that symbol thingy! [seems today is the day!]), the rifle worked as designed in the early years of issue. In early 1967, Winchester changed the powder type from a canister, to a ball powder. This resulted in excess carbon build-up on the tight tolerance parts, causing the now infamous jams. By late '67 all the erroneous powder and ammo had been destroyed, and the rifle redesigned into the M16-A1 to answer any future problems of fouling.

This battle occured in april of 1965, the rifle was first fielded by the Army in 1964, so yes, everything is correct.

[Thor the Mighty]

the worst are the arnold movies where he'll be sitting in the open with 45 rounds left and kill thousands of bad guys and not even get hit by their snipers

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