Fingerprint Drug Test

[going_home]

Looks like the government has figured out how to do a drug test from a fingerprint.

http://www.geekosystem.com/drug-test-fingerprint

Is this good or bad ?

Should it be termed as easier or more privacy invasive ?

Discuss .

[wetwrks]

Personally I am against all drug use...even medical pot. On the other hand I disagree with this. Too easy to be abused. I saw a show where the police called someone in that they thought had been involved in a murder and they tried something like 20 different ways to get a dna sample without him giving permission. Off a soda can, off a cigerette, off a licked envelope...

I also question the odds of a test being messed up by contamination from outside sources. They say that something like 90% of $ has drug residue on it...who is to say that just handling your cash wouldn't produce a false positive. And say a drug user touches something and leaves a drug positive print and then you touch that area and they test and claim you are positive for drugs when it was actually from the underlying print. Or say you touch something that a druggy has touched and it leaves his drug positive oil on your finger and then you transfer it with your print.

Too easy to have this abused and too easy to have a false reading from this.

[hill160881]

I dont care what people do in there free time so I am against the very idea of drug testing. But if this could be used by emergency personnel in an ambulance, or at the hospital in some way that would be cool. I love technology but hate when it is abused.

Personally I am against all drug use...even medical pot.

Im curious does this include medical opium,(morphine)? What about medical cocaine(local anesthetics and most numbing agents)? Do you even know what the medicine you get from the doctor is made from?
So are you against all pain medications and local numbing agents as well as all there synthetically derived cousins? If not then you mite want to rethink your position on drug use, even medical pot.

[wetwrks]

Im curious does this include medical opium,(morphine)? What about medical cocaine(local anesthetics and most numbing agents)? Do you even know what the medicine you get from the doctor is made from?
So are you against all pain medications and local numbing agents as well as all there synthetically derived cousins? If not then you mite want to rethink your position on drug use, even medical pot.

I am not against doctor issued perscriptions for needed medicines. But if this had legitimate medical use the drug companies would be making more use of it. Personally I feel if it is to be dispensed it should be thru pharmacies and pharmacies alone.

Locally this is an excuse for individuals who don't have a medical need...to get the drugs they want.

We have had at least 2 instances of Pot Dispenceries who were in business for at least a year and on inspection...they had no license nor had they even applied for one. They also had no records as to who they had sold to for most of the transactions.

I am also aware of "doctors" who will issue a license to pretty much anyone who walks in. Oh gee, I have a hangnail and need drugs doc. The local news have done undercover investigations and proven this to be true.

This is nothing more than a stepping stone to legalizing pot for everyone and I have had friends that pot was the drug that pulled them into much worse things. It lead into the regular use of ketamine (special K), ecstasy, and mushrumes... that I am aware of. Regular use typically being daily. Then to fund their addiction they started selling. In the end they were arrested shortly after receiving a shipment of more than 2500 ecstasy tablets. The police stated that they were the largest ecstasy distribution ring in the Rocky Mountain region at that time. One became a convicted felon and the others got a reduced sentence with a plea bargain and served more than 6 months locked up. All the result of some "innocent" pot use.

[OPBN]

I read that they are passing legislation in Florida to drug test welfare recipients.

As far as medicinal drug use, I think there is a lot of fraud in the system which makes it tough for legitimate uses like for an appetite increaser for those on chemo.

I don't buy into the gateway drug idea. I know tons of people that smoked pot and not many or any ended up getting busted for drug distribution or od'd. Personally, I burned a lot of weed back in the day and never once had issue with the law or an urge to move on to stronger stuff. People that go beyond simply have that inclination. If it wasnt pot, it would be alcohol.

As for fingerprint drug testinng, sounds like a viable method. I am not always a fan though of collecting dna or fluids off of disgarded items. I always thought it was sort of creapy, but whatever. I"m not a crook, nor do I intend to be so I don't really care. I am also all for requiring fingerprinting for pretty much anything such as getting a social security card, drivers license, etc. . As well as a national ID card.

Heck, if there wasnt the social stigma attached to it that there is, I would chip my kids.

[hill160881]

I am not against doctor issued perscriptions for needed medicines. But if this had legitimate medical use the drug companies would be making more use of it.

Sorry you have no clue what you are talking about.

Here educate yourself against your totally wrong propaganda. If all these studies dont show you how wrong you are then you are incapable of learning.

http://forum.grasscity.com/legalization-activism/345513-list-marijuana-studies.html

Does your position on drugs extend to alcohol? What about caffeine? Sex?........... Why not any dopamine dumper.

Do you have a reason to feel that your way of living is so much better that someone else's, that you need to decide what they can and cant do? Why should you decide what others do in there own homes when it does not effect you?



In fact I would love some data supporting your side, as long as it is backed up by an independent study and not just statements.

I will let you in on a little secret that is not a secret. I brun the strongest weed 24/7 and have for years. None of the BS the government says is true about weed. Do I seem lazy or stupid I love the stuff and laugh at people who think as you do because they have no real information on this subject, just what they learned in DARE class in grade school.

[Coralis]

I will let you in on a little secret that is not a secret. I brun the strongest weed 24/7 and have for years.

I'm not trying to be offensive but from reading some of your previous posts , this doesn't surprise me in the least.

[wetwrks]

If all these studies dont show you how wrong you are then you are incapable of learning.

Studies can be twisted and often are to force one position or another. Seeing it occur for myself trumps any study. I also am quite capable of learning and am willing to look at evidence one way or another and change my stance based on all the info I have available. So far I have seen no info that trumps my personal experiences.

Does your position on drugs extend to alcohol? What about caffeine? Sex?........... Why not any dopamine dumper.

Alcohol is already restricted and getting more so every day. They keep decreasing the amount you can have in you and still be allowed to legally drive. They have raised the legal drinking age from 18 to 21. There has been discussion of raising it again. I also know people who cannot drink as they will become alcoholics. Caffeine...I haven't ever seen anyone break into homes and steal to support their caffeine habit. Sex...I also haven't seen anyone breaking into homes to support their sex habit...unless it is something along the lines of rape...are you advocating that should be allowed?

Do you have a reason to feel that your way of living is so much better that someone else's, that you need to decide what they can and cant do? Why should you decide what others do in there own homes when it does not effect you?

It has nothing to do with who lives a better life nor who is superior. My cousin broke into her mothers and our grandmothers places to steal so she could get pot. Later she was breaking into strangers places to steal so she could finance meth. To think this stays in someones home and never affects anyone else is obsurd. She has at this point spent half her life locked up over drugs, theft, burglery, posession of stolen items, meth manufacturing, prostitution, and more. Again started with a little bit of "harmless pot".

In fact I would love some data supporting your side, as long as it is backed up by an independent study and not just statements.

It doesn't make any difference what evidence I present. I have presented eye witness testimony and you refuse to accept it. Studies and more won't change your view as the only view you have is thru the haze of the drugs.

I brun the strongest weed 24/7 and have for years.

Why the strongest? Why so often? The need for increasing the dosage and for increasing the regularity is a sign of addiction. This does nothing but prove my point.

[SCpoloRicker]

Pot Debate:

[DevilMan]

I think that people get confused with what people do and what they think they need to do.

Do you agree that there are people that "talk to God"?

Do you think/agree that there are people who believe they must go to church every Sunday to go to heaven?

Do you think there are people who feel that marriage between a white person and a black person is immoral and illegal and against the law?

What a person does to themselves in their own home should be up to them! If they want meth and want to make it at home and get jacked up at home and such then they should be allowed to. Same as if someone gets drunk at home. What is the law that says a person can't eat steak on Thursdays?

When that action leads them into breaking and entering, or DUI, or anything else that is a violation of OTHERS rights then that's when they have violated a law.

Can you tell me what the law is in self mutilation? You know that piercing, even of the ears is a form right? Yet it's acceptable where? Now you take that and you move it to the top of the ear, or the lip or the eyebrow and now it's just wrong... But is it affecting anyone else? NO. If a coke head OD's in their house and dies from it... then guess what... They won't do that again.

If that same coke head gets in a car and drives down the street and runs someone over and kills them... guess what... they SHOULDN"T do that again.. By shouldn't I mean, they should be put down. They could not control themselves and it affected others. So that means that have given up their right to exist by taking away another persons. It's a trade.

It has NOTHING to do with what's right and wrong about USE... It's about what those people choose to do.

Do you think it should be illegal to get a tattoo or to get scarification?

Do you think it should be illegal to tattoo or pierce or otherwise harm or mutilate another person against their will?

What's the difference?

The difference is, what a person chooses to do or have done to themselves should be allowed to the point that it ONLY affects them.

When they lose that control and can no longer maintain that, THEN they should be restricted and controlled and penalized.

Yeah I'm a bit of a oxymoron.... I think everyone should be free to do what ever they wish to do up to the point that it's not harming or affecting anyone else or their belongings... If you want to set your car on fire, then go for it. It's your car. If you damage the street or catch the forest on fire doing it... well then you gotta make up for that.

At the same time I think that when you lose that control then the repercussions come back to you ten fold.

I think it's funny how everyone can be for the restrictions of certain things that "they don't approve of" or find "immoral" and yet if those same people traveled to foreign lands say "where chewing gum is illegal" or "where you can't eat beef" or any other of the the "odd" or "weird" rules that are in place they would think the country was archaic and idiotic, yet when they see it in their OWN homeland it's fine.

http://www.dumblaws.com/

[DevilMan]

"Shotguns are required to be taken to church in the event of a Native American attack."

YES!!!!! I want to go here and walk in carrying my 870!!!! HELL YES!!!! This I think I would do.... honest... Just to make a freaking point!!!!

Just because LAWS are on the books doesn't mean that they are fair/smart/better/pertinent/etc.

As for the OT. I think asking for a fingerprint to get a drug test or anything else is fine. I think that taking this information WITHOUT consent is ILLEGAL. It's a violation of a persons rights to live freely. PERIOD!

I think taking blood or urine without consent is ILLEGAL. hmmmm.. is it? YES! When you get stopped for a DUI, do you have to consent to a breathalyzer? NO. If you don't... you can be held and blah blah blah... and it'll be a much greater hassle. They can't take from you without your consent. What makes it fine to take something such as a fingerprint to use without your consent? It would fall under "Illegal Search & Seizure"

DM

[hill160881]

Why the strongest? Why so often? The need for increasing the dosage and for increasing the regularity is a sign of addiction. This does nothing but prove my point.

Its the excruciating pain of living in a world full of people like you.

[DevilMan]

[DevilMan]

And WETWRKS, your cousin didn't break in or steal or any of that to get pot. Your cousin did it because she thought she would get away with it. Your cousin did it because she's a retard that don't understand that it's WRONG. Your cousin did it and can give ANY number of excuses. So would it make you feel better if say... hmmmm.... Your cousin did all of this to pay for an abortion? What if your cousin did this to pay for her nursing school? What if your cousin did this to buy a new XBox? What if your cousin did this to make a car payment so it wouldn't get repo'd?

Then would it all be better? What if your cousin did this to pay for the fine and lawyers fees because she was cited for ~>

"Kites may not be flown above 10 feet over the ground."

While having your niece with her in the park?

Then would it be different? The reason your cousin did this had ZERO to do with pot and meth... It had to do with her being disrespectful and disregarding the rights of other people.

When she infringed on the rights of others is when she messed up.

NOT when she got stoned on her own dime/time.

DM

[DevilMan]

How about this... it's easy....

What exactly is it that you get from playing paintball that you can't get from anything else?

So why shouldn't paintball be outlawed?

DM