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[SCpoloRicker]

That's what makes San Fran SOOOOO BEAUTIFUL!!!

I'm basically with you; vis-a-vis the topic at hand.

However, as an on-again, off-again resident I am formally obligated to point out that "San Fran" is an entirely unacceptable form of reference for 'the City' or 'San Francisco' or 'the [neighborhood]' or 'SF'.

Just. Not. 'San Fran'.

/I'm told this is, as it were, 'serious business'
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[DevilMan]

I get a bit pissy when it comes to talk about FREEDOM and what not.

People want to play the blame game on pot, guns, crack, coke, cars, beef, chicken, air, water, etc...

Get over it.

People don't want pot legalized... and yet not a single one of them can come up with a single benefit for smoking tobacco.

NOT ONE!

DM

[hill160881]

[wetwrks]

And WETWRKS, your cousin didn't break in or steal or any of that to get pot. Your cousin did it because she thought she would get away with it.

Lets see...she had no job, no one would give her $ because she was doing drugs so she breaks in and steals jewelery and $ to get drugs with. She admits she did it to get the drugs. She admits she thought she would get caught eventually but didn't care as all she cared about was getting the drugs. (These are her words...not mine)

This was why she prostituted herself...to get the drugs. Not because she wanted to have sex with strangers, not because she wanted the $ for schooling.

Before the drugs she didn't do any of this and since she has gotten out of prison she hasn't done any of this...that leaves 1 central theme to all of this... DRUGS. The drugs were the sole source of all the problems. While she was on the drugs she was rude with everyone in the family. Gee...again there is a sole common denominator...DRUGS. Not the case before the drugs and not the case since she got off the drugs.

She has been in need of $ ever since getting out of prison yet there hasn't been any thefts or breakins. She has been polite and loving with members of the family. Even her sister who basically disowned her during the bad days and wouldn't even speak with her for 2 years after she got out of prison has accepted her back. And the difference of before and now...NO DRUGS.

You guys have talked about other "drugs" such as alcohol, cigarettes, sugar, and caffine...now my turn. How many of these "lesser" drugs affect someones thinking and emotions?

Alcohol affects people differently but often badly. Some have uncontrollable rage, some get sulky, some get balligerent, a few get jolly.

Cigarettes tend to affect people when they are coming down off them...typically they get extremely grumpy and anger easily.

Sugar tends to make people hyper and agitated.

Caffine withdrawl makes people agitated and grumpy.

Yet you claim that there is no negative side effects to pot...that what my cousin was involved in wasn't related to the pot. The evidence disagrees with you. Not only does the evidence point that she did it for the drugs, it also points that she may have been more inclined to make stupid decisions while on the pot and meth. That she was more inclined to be rude and offensive while on the drugs.

If this could be contained to ones home and not affect others I might be willing to ignore others using it...but it isn't. I go to a concert and I smell it everywhere...this is not in someones home and affects me. Affects everyone else at the concert. I have had to put up with it. Their "right" has infringed on my right to not have to breath it in.

The thefts affected the lives of everyone in the family. The drugs affected the lives of everyone in the family.

Your cousin did it because she's a retard that don't understand that it's WRONG.

Yet where does that put everyone who knows that pot is illegal "wrong" and goes ahead and does it anyways? Does that make the potsmokers retards?

The reason your cousin did this had ZERO to do with pot and meth... It had to do with her being disrespectful and disregarding the rights of other people. When she infringed on the rights of others is when she messed up.

So using this logic...alcohol isn't to blame for drunk driving. A disreguard for others on the road is.

[DevilMan]

As they say... blaming alcohol for drunk driving is like blaming forks for fat people.

I know plenty of people who drink and don't drive.

I know plenty of people who smoke and don't get in trouble...

So you say it was the "DRUGS" that did it for your cousin... hmmm... actually what it was, was the legality of the drugs that she wanted. If she had a prescription that allowed her to legally buy and use the "DRUGS" and/or if she had gotten help/rehab for what she was doing illegally would it not have been a different story?

It has EVERYTHING to do with a persons view and respect and acknowledgment of other peoples rights.

Do you know what made pot illegal?

Do you know what MEDICAL uses of pot there are?

ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT POT HAS TO DO WITH CANCER PATIENTS?

Are you aware of what can do to people who have anxiety disorders?

Are you aware that pot can be easily and cheaply grown by ANYONE pretty much ANYWHERE in the US (hence the name WEED) and that because of it, the GOVERNMENT would have NO WAY TO CONTROL IT if it were legal? So there would be NO REVENUE, NO TAXES, NO "CUT" for the gov if it were legal. Instead the only way they can make money from it is to criminalize it.

So you avoided the question.

NAME ONE VALID USE/NEED/BENEFIT ON A PHYSICAL LEVEL THAT CIGARETTES ARE NEEDED FOR.

JUST ONE.

Why are they legal? hmmmm.... you know how hard it is to grow and process tobacco? Do you know where you can grow tobacco easily? Do you know how you can process it and make easily make your own cigarettes?

Are you aware of such things as OPIUM HOUSES?

Tell me this... have you ever been drunk?

Have you ever slept with a chick and woke up the next morning wondering where you were and how you got there and whether or not you can get out of the bed before the thing beside you wakes up?

Did you blame it on the beer and alcohol?

I bet you did.

So tell me... what did the beer and alcohol do that made you ingest it?

FOOD DON'T MAKE PEOPLE FAT, BEER DON'T MAKE PEOPLE DRUNK DRIVERS, CARS DON'T MAKE PEOPLE RACERS.

You notice the one constant in EVERY drug related issue? Or Drunk Driving issue?

Every OD is not because of COCAINE. Every theft is not because of METH. Every murder is not because of a GUN.

EVERY ONE OF THEM IS BECAUSE OF A PERSON!

The common denominator is HUMAN. When a person starts respecting and acknowledging the exist of the rest of the populace and respecting their rights, then there are no issues.

You want something? You earn it. You take from someone else.... you earned an ass whooping.

You drink and drive and cause an accident. You lose your license for a year. You do it again. 5 years. 3 times. Never drive again. And pay for ALL damages.

You drink and drive and kill someone? You pay for ALL damages, ALL costs, and then you get put in the ground.

You disrespected other persons' rights to be free and to live life. You took a life, you lose your life.

And you know the most entertaining thing... I bet you think I'm the biggest pot head this side of Hill...

DM

[DevilMan]

So she knew she was addicted, knew she was doing stuff wrong, knew that she was hurting those around her.... and instead of asking for help or going to rehab or actually CHANGING her life, she blames it on the drugs.

She gets busted, gets REHAB'd, and now is fine. Hmmmm.... why couldn't she ask for help to begin with? Ohhhhh yeahhhhhh... the drugs prevented that. Got it.

Tell me this...

If she had stood up when she "KNEW" she was doing wrong and ASKED FOR OR SOUGHT HELP what do you think the difference would be?

Drugs, Alcohol, and any other excuse that people give is still just the same for everyone. No one makes you drink the first beer, no one makes you take the first hit, no one makes you snort the first line.

DM

[wetwrks]

Ok...so you want a response to all of these...you got it.

So you say it was the "DRUGS" that did it for your cousin... hmmm... actually what it was, was the legality of the drugs that she wanted. If she had a prescription that allowed her to legally buy and use the "DRUGS" and/or if she had gotten help/rehab for what she was doing illegally would it not have been a different story?

Legality doesn't change her actions...addiction and mind altering of the drugs does. Perscription would have affected the outcome none...but legalizing it will allow this result on a massive scale. Expecially among children that lack in $ and in the ability to chose right and wrong to begin with. She had no $ and wanted the drugs AT ALL COSTS.

It has EVERYTHING to do with a persons view and respect and acknowledgment of other peoples rights.

And that view gets skued with mind altering substances.

Do you know what made pot illegal?

The politics doesn't matter to me in any way...I ONLY care about how the drug affects me and mine.

Do you know what MEDICAL uses of pot there are?

ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT POT HAS TO DO WITH CANCER PATIENTS?

Are you aware of what can do to people who have anxiety disorders?

If it has honest medical uses...distribute solely thru pharmasists. that is where you are REQUIRED to get all other perscribed drugs. Not some guy on the street, not some corner shop where the potency is unregulated. Not thru the mail. Manufactured only by FDA regulated medical companies. Let the FDA regulate it and deal with it just like any other perscribed drug. If it isn't about the medical uses and about legalizing it for common use then I would point out that you have already pointed out it is a medical grade item.

Are you aware that pot can be easily and cheaply grown by ANYONE pretty much ANYWHERE in the US (hence the name WEED) and that because of it, the GOVERNMENT would have NO WAY TO CONTROL IT if it were legal? So there would be NO REVENUE, NO TAXES, NO "CUT" for the gov if it were legal. Instead the only way they can make money from it is to criminalize it.

For me it isn't about the $. Couldn't care less if it were given away free or if it runs a million per gram. If people are willing to steal to get it there is a problem.

So you avoided the question.

NAME ONE VALID USE/NEED/BENEFIT ON A PHYSICAL LEVEL THAT CIGARETTES ARE NEEDED FOR.

JUST ONE.

None...never claimed there is...frankly I couldn't care less if it were outlawed completely. I get really tired of jerks that think I should have to breath this garbage too. It too is an invasion of my RIGHT to breath clean air without it harming my lungs.
.

Why are they legal? hmmmm.... you know how hard it is to grow and process tobacco? Do you know where you can grow tobacco easily? Do you know how you can process it and make easily make your own cigarettes?

Couldn't care less.

Are you aware of such things as OPIUM HOUSES?

Sure...I am sure they exist...never been to one, never intend to go to one. Same as sex slaves. All should be illegal. NEXT!

Tell me this... have you ever been drunk?

Have you ever slept with a chick and woke up the next morning wondering where you were and how you got there and whether or not you can get out of the bed before the thing beside you wakes up?

Did you blame it on the beer and alcohol?

I bet you did.

Never been drunk, never tried a cigarette, never tried chew, never tried illegal drugs...no interest.

So tell me... what did the beer and alcohol do that made you ingest it?

The very few times I have tried alcohol I haven't cared for the taste. I seldom ever drink and even then it is typically a few swallows to be polite to friends...don't really care for it and it doesn't do anything for me.

FOOD DON'T MAKE PEOPLE FAT, BEER DON'T MAKE PEOPLE DRUNK DRIVERS, CARS DON'T MAKE PEOPLE RACERS.

You notice the one constant in EVERY drug related issue? Or Drunk Driving issue?

Every OD is not because of COCAINE. Every theft is not because of METH. Every murder is not because of a GUN.

EVERY ONE OF THEM IS BECAUSE OF A PERSON!

The common denominator is HUMAN. When a person starts respecting and acknowledging the exist of the rest of the populace and respecting their rights, then there are no issues.

What of my right to not have to breath this garbage at concerts? At the common areas of CU Boulder? It is all about your right to do whatever you want wherever you are whenever you want. WHAT OF MY RIGHTS?

You want something? You earn it. You take from someone else.... you earned an ass whooping.

You drink and drive and cause an accident. You lose your license for a year. You do it again. 5 years. 3 times. Never drive again. And pay for ALL damages.

You drink and drive and kill someone? You pay for ALL damages, ALL costs, and then you get put in the ground.

You disrespected other persons' rights to be free and to live life. You took a life, you lose your life.

And you know the most entertaining thing... I bet you think I'm the biggest pot head this side of Hill...DM

[JLuke]

I'm all for legalizing pot and the such, but for drug testing, im glad they're starting to test people that are getting government help. If i cant smoke pot because theres a chance i'll be tested, the same should go for them, if i smoke, i dont get paid, if they smoke, they wont either.


Though i do think its completely wrong to try and secretively test people without them knowing, why cant it be simple as, pee in a cup, if you test positive then thats what it is, if you refuse to test then its an automatic positive as well. And that fingerprint thing sounds kinda sketchy to me, too many false positives, that makes as much sense as taking a dna sample from someones hand right after shaking hands with 50 people that day.

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LOL i love reading these kinds of threads, theres allways 3 different views on pot, the ones that think its the devil and nomatter what you say its bad, the neutral people, then the ones that argue about how good it is. Nomatter what one side explains to the other, the oppsite will allways have something to say to counteract it.
The battle for good and evil will never end, and the best part is, i dont even know which side is good or evil.

[hill160881]

For the record DM does not drink or smoke, ever. Not a drop or a puff EVER for as long as I have known him.

[wimag]

I brun the strongest weed 24/7 and have for years. None of the BS the government says is true about weed. Do I seem lazy or stupid I love the stuff and laugh at people who think as you do because they have no real information on this subject, just what they learned in DARE class in grade school.

whoop de doo. good luck with your beta testing for efficiency. Was somewhat interested, but will not waste any time on some burn out.

[hill160881]

well as I plan on making no money on this I am devastated

Meaning there offered at cost

But you know us pot heads. We are desprate for money and will do anything to get it, which is why I make every mod I do public Its so profitable to show others how to do it them selves.


I wonder if you listen to musical artist that were messed up when they recorded there music. just think of me as an artist

[hill160881]

Lets get something strait. I have several medical conditions that two different doctors recommended Cannabis as opposed to prescription and over the counter drugs. This was due to there side effects on the liver, kidneys and stomach lining. I have a foot of SS and 12 screws in my left forearm and have had a shoulder op in the same arm to fix a torn AC ligament. I have another medical condition that qualifies me for this drug but that is not one i will go into.

or I could take Vicodin all day. But that would make me an opium addict and I prefer medications that have no side effects when I go days without.

Further more I almost never drink and dont smoke sigs. I avoid all pills except for the heartburn meds I take. I have not needed a doctor except for a compound fracture since 2003.

[OPBN]

whoop de doo. good luck with your beta testing for efficiency. Was somewhat interested, but will not waste any time on some burn out.

Really?

[DevilMan]

bwahahhaahaa.... some burn out...

Gotta love it...

I don't think you are fully grasping what I'm saying WETWRKS.... What people do in their own home that affects no one else should be theirs to do.

How do you figure that getting plastered and driving down the road is "IN THEIR HOME" or that lighting up at the concert is "IN THEIR HOME" ???

How is second hand smoke that you inhale NOT affecting you? IT IS. Hence my stand on it.

You're in CO. They have also passed laws there I think about smoking inside and such. Why should it have to be a law?

Why as a bizness owner if you own a bar, that you can't have smoking and non smoking areas? If someone don't want to go to the bar because of the smoke, they can go somewhere else right? It's your choice to do so. That's what you aren't getting.

If it's legal for someone to smoke inside a building then that should be the property owners decision. NOT something for the government to decide. If you want to go somewhere but don't smoke and don't want to smell/inhale the second hand smoke.... then don't go there!!!! Make a choice go somewhere else. Or better yet... quit crying and take a stand and petition to get it changed so that you can go there without having to deal with it. But turning it over for the government to control is NOT something that should be considered.

If you notice that everything that you said... is NOT what I've said in relation to where it should be allowed. Every time you say, "At a concert, or out in public" that is NOT what I've said is it?

I think in PUBLIC buildings it should not be allowed. I do NOT think that it should be a law that in privately owned businesses you can't do it.

#1. Yes Legality does change her actions. If it were legal with the proper control then she would be a registered user. As such the first time that anything became an issue she would be rehabbed and gotten treatment as such and be where she is now. The first instance that someone "loses control" is the very same time that they give up their choice on that subject and turn it over for others to tell them what to do. It's part of the deal. You play nice... you get to go out to recess. You hit little johnny in the nose with a book, then you get hit in the nose with a book... AND a paddling, AND no recess, AND a note home to the PU's.

#2. Tell me this. Is the "mind altering" effect temporary? Or permanent? Did she commit all of these crimes while she WAS stoned? Or when she was SOBER and wanted to get high?

#3. So you can ONLY get what the government/FDA allows you to get? You sure you wanna hoe that row?

[OPBN]

You're in CO. They have also passed laws there I think about smoking inside and such. Why should it have to be a law?

Why as a bizness owner if you own a bar, that you can't have smoking and non smoking areas? If someone don't want to go to the bar because of the smoke, they can go somewhere else right? It's your choice to do so. That's what you aren't getting.

If it's legal for someone to smoke inside a building then that should be the property owners decision. NOT something for the government to decide. If you want to go somewhere but don't smoke and don't want to smell/inhale the second hand smoke.... then don't go there!!!! Make a choice go somewhere else. Or better yet... quit crying and take a stand and petition to get it changed so that you can go there without having to deal with it. But turning it over for the government to control is NOT something that should be considered.

What about employees of such businesses? Should they have the right to a smoke free environment or should they just get another job? Do you feel this should apply to all businesses?

Ohio passed non-smoking laws here a few years ago and I love it. I can now go to restaurants and not be faced with the possibility of having to either sit near a smoker or smell the stale smoke smell while eating. Smoking/non-smoking sections within the same building are a joke. Unless the areas are physically sealed off from one another with seperate HVAC systems, you get cross over. It's amazing how much difference there is. Almost makes you forget until you go across the state line into someplace like Indiana where they don't have such laws and you walk into a place for dinner that smells like the bottom of an ash tray.

I also know a couple of restaurant owners that were thrilled to have such legislation passed so they could eliminate smoking from their establishments without the risk of backlash from the public. To a certain degree, it gave them a way to play the victim when in reality they hated to have a smoking section in their restaurant.

As such the first time that anything became an issue she would be rehabbed and gotten treatment as such and be where she is now.

If state run rehab centers are anything like the counseling that is provided for DUI cases, it's a joke at best.