Fingerprint Drug Test

[DevilMan]

hehheheheee.... okay... so people who take PRESCRIPTION meds are NOT WEAK huh?

You know of any diabetics?

I guess treatment for cancer or even something as simple as aspirin is a sign of weakness then.

For once I think we agree on something John... I think we should mark this down somewhere.

So tell me.... why is it ok for the gov to tell you what you do and don't need in this life? But not alright for you to choose yourself?

And there is a difference in anarchy and common sense.

It's mentioned "what about the smoke particles on my food" Guess what? THEY ARE AFFECTING YOU correct? which I think is wrong. But you don't eat "second hand smoke"

Everything you do effects someone else? Yeah, okay sure... that steak I ate... killed a cow... that cow... was someones' property that they sold for slaughter.... that person got money from it. Yup... I affected them.

DM

[DevilMan]

Hey John.... how many pill bottles are in your medicine cabinet?

DM

[going_home]

Hey John.... how many pill bottles are in your medicine cabinet?

DM

Mercy goodness guys.
How is any of this even remotely related to the fingerprint drug test ?

This thread has veered off the road across the ditch into the pond.

[hill160881]

Tell that to a war vet that saw some real bad stuff. Better yet call him a pussy while your at it.


There are many forms of weakness, addiction, obesity, poor cardiovascular condition, lack of empathy........

Everyone has a weakness, and some more than a few.

[DevilMan]

Mercy goodness guys.
How is any of this even remotely related to the fingerprint drug test ?

This thread has veered off the road across the ditch into the pond.

I agree... which is why I keep stating that taking something from you without your consent should be illegal, whether or not you have anything to hide, or are clean or not... it's still not right.

Now should/could it be implemented to be required for welfare? It could. But why not just do a whiz quiz? Do it at random. Come in pee in a cup, leave. If it comes back positive don't expect another check.

DM

[maniacmechanic]

For the record DM does not drink or smoke, ever. Not a drop or a puff EVER for as long as I have known him.

HEY. quit pickin on DM , remember he's the BAD guy , he's the one wanting to take away all our personal freedoms , no booze , dope , cigs , don't take away my H , i'll go crazy without it ( , all in fun , DM is a great guy )

For the OP , fingerprint drug test ?? sounds a little wacked to me , especially without consent

I loved this thread , I think the best is over

[sjrtk]

I started reading this when the popcorn finished popping. It was quite interesting.

I don't think I have seen DM post this much ever.

People are all weak, the Govt DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. They will take everything they can from you. The moral of this whole thread has become, We as people will never get along as a whole, no matter what the rules are. It is simply against human nature.

If you don't like something vote or shut up, mabey you can run for office your self and try to fix things. Good luck to both sides my popcorn is finished so i must retire.

[OPBN]

It's mentioned "what about the smoke particles on my food" Guess what? THEY ARE AFFECTING YOU correct? which I think is wrong. But you don't eat "second hand smoke"

DM

Sorry Mr Literal. I was referring to having to inhale smoke while eating my food. Maybe less emphasis on nitpicking?

[OPBN]

Also if you notice the one thing I say is that you should have the right to do what you want AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT AFFECT OTHERS.

So which part of this is hard to understand?

A private business is private and should not be made to follow each and every regulation that someone thinks is new and improved.

Think of it this way....

If a business has a catwalk, that is missing a section that ANYONE who walks normally is going to fall through is it a safety hazard? YES

Now... does that mean that someone who is not smoking will fall through it, but someone smoking won't?

That is not a choice about whether or not someone WANTS to do something. It's about a work place safety hazard. Is there a fine for the person who goes up and puts a board down over and crosses it and picks the board up? Was it unsafe? Maybe. Did that person choose to do so? YES. What if it's taped off, blocked off, marked off, chained off and yet a person climbs over all of that and walks and falls down the hole? Is it the company's fault? NO. Should the person be able to sue or prosecute the company? NO. It's the persons fault plain and simple.

See... these are differences that you all seem to try and tie together... I'm not talking about things that no matter what are going to be painful for anyone... is dropping a grand piano out of the 4th floor window for someone to catch smart? or legal? I bet no matter who you are it's not going to go well. IF you are the person on the bottom that thinks they can catch it, should you be stopped from making that choice?

DM

So you essentially feel it's ok for a business to have unsafe working conditions for it's employees? Since it's a privately owned company, if the employees don't like it, they can just go screw? No government rules on workplace conditions at all huh? So should the company be liable if workers get hurt on the job? Or since they did no wrong, because there are no rules governing workplace safety, is it 'work at your own risk?"

Sorry, but i like to know with a fair amount of confidence that the food I eat is relatively safe and that I am not going to have to work in unsafe conditions to put that same food on the table.

Put a fork, preferably one washed and sanitized as per standard sanitary regulations so I don't get an infection, in me. I'm done.

[DevilMan]

Where have I said it's fine for a business to be unsafe? WHERE?

When I said that it should be the businesses choice to allow or disallow smoking?

YES it should be their choice. It's an option to make. Man... I know I speak english...

I've never said that you should have to breathe second hand smoke unwillingly. I've said that others should be allowed to smoke as long as it's affecting people that don't wish to smell it.

Again...

Try this.

Since this is a PB forum I'll do PB.

What percentage of people in the US play PB?

Do you think it's more than 50%???

I bet it's not over 10%.

Let's say it's 40%.

If the Gov were to say that since PB has no real use and it's going to be banned for the welfare of the rest of the populace what do you think would happen?

60% of the people "don't care, because it don't affect me"

That is how you lose your rights/freedoms.

I don't do drugs, so why should I care if anyone else can?

I don't drink... why should I care if you can go to the store and buy a beer?

I don't smoke, so why should I care if you are allowed to?

I don't snowboard... so why should I care if you are able to?

Why don't you think on a larger scale. Why don't you look and see, that there are MANY more people out there who "don't care" about any one thing you do that could possibly take it away from you.

Do you not get that?

This is about the fingerprint drug test crap... Should it be allowed to be taken from you without your consent?

"I don't care.... I don't do drugs!"

hmmmm.... I wonder how you would feel if you just got finished handling something that was tainted and then had to do that and ended up getting arrested and convicted when it clearly shows that you had drugs in/on your system. How are you going to explain that away?

I bet your "I don't care, it don't affect me" line of thought would go right down the crapper.

DM

[wetwrks]

Since this is a PB forum I'll do PB.
If the Gov were to say that since PB has no real use and it's going to be banned for the welfare of the rest of the populace what do you think would happen?

That is how you lose your rights/freedoms.

I don't do drugs, so why should I care if anyone else can?

I don't drink... why should I care if you can go to the store and buy a beer?

I don't smoke, so why should I care if you are allowed to?

I don't snowboard... so why should I care if you are able to?

Why don't you think on a larger scale. Why don't you look and see, that there are MANY more people out there who "don't care" about any one thing you do that could possibly take it away from you.

Do you not get that?

This is about the fingerprint drug test crap... Should it be allowed to be taken from you without your consent?

"I don't care.... I don't do drugs!"

hmmmm.... I wonder how you would feel if you just got finished handling something that was tainted and then had to do that and ended up getting arrested and convicted when it clearly shows that you had drugs in/on your system. How are you going to explain that away?

I bet your "I don't care, it don't affect me" line of thought would go right down the crapper.

DM

Ok...closer to the point...paintball...like drugs...once you get a bunch of paintballers who abuse the system and start paintballing homeless and bicyclers...that gives paintball a bad name and gets laws passed.

In that same theme...people doing drugs breaking into houses gets drugs banned or restricted. People who blow smoke towards nonsmokers in a resturaunt get smoking banned in businesses.

Now then...pot legalization...currently in Colorado we have medical pot. I attend a concert at Red Rocks...not a private business, it is owned by the city of Denver. And while there the smell of pot is overwhelming. I was aware of 8 out of 15 people in our row that were doing pot. I and my friend were offered pot. How does this fit with the medical aspect? I don't need it. My friend doesn't need it. Yet somehow we should have it? Should have to breath it? To what...protect the "right" of the individual to do what they want in their home. What about my right to not have to breath it?

http://www.dailycamera.com/420/ci_17891141

So much for this being reserved to "what you do in your home". And as this is a public school and in a public courtyard it affects me. It affects the people who have classes in that area, it affects the people who have to work in that area, it affects the people who have to live in that area.

Per the article: A stoned teenager crashed into a police patrol car at the intersection of Folsom Street and Colorado Avenue as he was leaving the CU campus at 3:43 p.m., police said. He was taken to the hospital because of "marijuana-related" issues, and authorities said they plan to ticket him.

So much for this having no effect on society...guess who has to pay for repairs for said cop car...me and the other local tax payers.

As soon as it is legalized it will no longer be reserved to home use...it will be everywhere.

Oh...and I still hold to the fingerprint test as being overly invasive and too prone to false positives.

[OPBN]

Where have I said it's fine for a business to be unsafe? WHERE?

When I said that it should be the businesses choice to allow or disallow smoking?

YES it should be their choice. It's an option to make. Man... I know I speak english...

I've never said that you should have to breathe second hand smoke unwillingly. I've said that others should be allowed to smoke as long as it's affecting people that don't wish to smell it.

Actually you did. You said the people that didnt want to breathe it could go get another job or find another place to eat. ... One of the reasons it was proposed was as a safety issue for people working in restaurants and bars who were having to be subjected to second hand smoke. Here is where your argument is flawed. If rules are allowed to be made to insure the safety of the workers, and breathing second hand smoke is deemed to be dangerous, than it can indeed be banned in the workplace.

Again...

Try this.

Since this is a PB forum I'll do PB.

What percentage of people in the US play PB?

Do you think it's more than 50%???

I bet it's not over 10%.

Let's say it's 40%.

If the Gov were to say that since PB has no real use and it's going to be banned for the welfare of the rest of the populace what do you think would happen?

BTW, it isn't the governement saying it, it's the people saying it. A petition was signed, it was put on the ballot and people voted on it. People like you and me. People excercising their rights to vote and pass a law to insure the safety of workers in the workplace.

60% of the people "don't care, because it don't affect me"

That is how you lose your rights/freedoms.

I don't do drugs, so why should I care if anyone else can?

I don't drink... why should I care if you can go to the store and buy a beer?

I don't smoke, so why should I care if you are allowed to?

I don't snowboard... so why should I care if you are able to?

Why don't you think on a larger scale. Why don't you look and see, that there are MANY more people out there who "don't care" about any one thing you do that could possibly take it away from you.

Do you not get that?

The only thing that is on this list that is actually banned is drugs and I don't agree with that necessarily. People are allowed to drink, smoke, snowboard, and play paintball. They simply are asked to smoke outside as not to interfere with the rights of others that do not want to inhale their second hand smoke. As mentioned, there are private clubs where they can go to smoke to their hearts content, or failure. And I still have not found a single thing that I am excluded from doing that I want to do. NONE OF MY RIGHTS ARE BEING LOST.

This is about the fingerprint drug test crap... Should it be allowed to be taken from you without your consent?

"I don't care.... I don't do drugs!"

hmmmm.... I wonder how you would feel if you just got finished handling something that was tainted and then had to do that and ended up getting arrested and convicted when it clearly shows that you had drugs in/on your system. How are you going to explain that away?

I bet your "I don't care, it don't affect me" line of thought would go right down the crapper.

DM

I am not an expert on how this test reacts to the levels of drugs one would find on money or other items that were "tainted' by drugs. I would imagine that simliiar to a blood alcohol test that it would have to be at a certain level to read as positive. Also, I don't see myself being fingerprint tested for welfare or any criminal activity since I don't live on welfare and I don't commit criminal activities.... It's not like they are going to go out and randomly start taking peoples fingerprints to test them for drug residue as a massaive countrywide sting operation. Much like blood alcohol level tests are used to help convict drunk drivers, they will be used as additional evidenence in cases involving drug sales I would imagine. BTW, it isn't against the law to be under the influence of drugs, just to possess them.

[hill160881]

Per the article: A stoned teenager crashed into a police patrol car at the intersection of Folsom Street and Colorado Avenue as he was leaving the CU campus at 3:43 p.m., police said. He was taken to the hospital because of "marijuana-related" issues, and authorities said they plan to ticket him.

LOLOLOLOL


Maybe you want to read the link I provided you way back in the first page. You can not test for weed like you can alcohol. The cops statements, unless confirmed by the kid, are a guess and not backed up by and test. Unless he has a lab in his back pocket.

Also for most users, THC causes little to no reaction delay up to a point. Try playing PB with me and you will understand this. Did they have any proof he was stoned? No, and it was before the event even started. lol Sounds like a regular old accident to me they blamed on pot with no evidence. "They plan to ticket him" lol meaning they dont even know if they can or not. "He was taken to the hospital because of "marijuana-related" issues" What issues because studies have confirmed it is harmless, so what, did he overdose?(it impossible to overdose) Not even getting him on possession.lol sounds like a story made to sound good to sell the article. Lets get this strait, a DWI resulting in an accident and they may ticket him. something is wrong with this story.


"If it was legal it would be everywhere." Since I dont see everyone leaving a bar getting tested I really dont care. Compared to alcohol it is like coffee.

You know i was rear-ended by a guy who admitted he was messing with his radio. We should make those illegal as well. they could kill someone. I lost control of a truck in the ice while eating a burger once, those should be outlawed next. Passengers like kids cause accidents all the time, maybe we should make transporting children while conscious against the law.

[cockerpunk]

[JLuke]

Lol i'd be happier if mcdonlads and all fatty food was banned and make weed legal.
hell who cares, i just want to smoke once and a while again and not have to worry about being tested a few days later and getting fired.

Atleast weed doesnt have any long term affect on me, yet fast food can make me fat *runs away now*

Also, do the mods usually close threads here? Im enjoying reading this one very much