So...How's it going?

[Tunaman]

Oh, defund private prisons as they are glut of corruption and horrible practices that further dehumanize those that are sent there, instead of rehabilitation?

I actually like to think that caring about people is taking the word of Jesus Christ to heart and love thy neighbor a d to give to those that do not have. So are you telling me that you're not Christian and don't follow the good word? Oh yes, that's right. Fascist ideology has no place other than for itself...

Prison is for PUNISHMENT! Not Rehabilitation. Quit committing crimes then you dont wind up in prison.

[Nobody]

Prison is for PUNISHMENT! Not Rehabilitation. Quit committing crimes then you dont wind up in prison.

When the Quakers established the prison system, it was for penance, and to teach right from wrong, so when they returned to society, they, the prisoners, would be better to & for society.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/a-noble-experiment-how-solitary-came-to-america/#:~:text=In%20the%20late%2018th%20century,Walnut%20Street%20Jail%20in%20Philadelphia

Punishment, well that is a Fascist view on thing subject and not very christian. But I take it that now that trump is a convicted felon, that he should be punished in prison?

[Tunaman]

When the Quakers established the prison system, it was for penance, and to teach right from wrong, so when they returned to society, they, the prisoners, would be better to & for society.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/a-noble-experiment-how-solitary-came-to-america/#:~:text=In%20the%20late%2018th%20century,Walnut%20Street%20Jail%20in%20Philadelphia

Punishment, well that is a Fascist view on thing subject and not very christian. But I take it that now that trump is a convicted felon, that he should be punished in prison?

Everything is Fascist to a communist.

[Pyrate Jim]

Immigrants made this country. That is the advantage that we have.

The advantage we had.
Those immigrants who helped build this Country came with little and were given nothing. Arriving with their brain, muscle and what they could carry. Root, hog, or die. And many did die.
There were no handouts, no sugar on the table, not even 40 acres and a mule.
On the other hand, immigrants today seem to expect preferential treatment. Fancy hotel rooms or permanent housing, high paying jobs, credit cards, free health services, voting rights, education for their kids, and food they throw away because "it ain't what Granmaw used to make". Then demand more handouts and they get it all at taxpayer expense, to the detriment of our own citizens.

Punishment, well that is a Fascist view on thing subject and not very christian. But I take it that now that trump is a convicted felon, that he should be punished in prison?

According to Christian belief, only God is fit to judge man. Which makes any judgment made by Man null & void. That, when pushed to a logical conclusion, also makes any Law made by man irrelevant.
As a society, we do make laws and we do pass judgment and inflict punishment on others. Every civilization through history has used "Rule of Law" through a central government to impose order.
So, according to you, every society everywhere all throughout history are Fascist anti-Christians.
Including the trial of Donald Trump.

[Nobody]

Everything is I say Fascist.

Fixed it for you

The advantage we had.
Those immigrants who helped build this Country came with little and were given nothing. Arriving with their brain, muscle and what they could carry. Root, hog, or die. And many did die.
There were no handouts, no sugar on the table, not even 40 acres and a mule.
On the other hand, immigrants today seem to expect preferential treatment. Fancy hotel rooms or permanent housing, high paying jobs, credit cards, free health services, voting rights, education for their kids, and food they throw away because "it ain't what Granmaw used to make". Then demand more handouts and they get it all at taxpayer expense, to the detriment of our own citizens.

Now if you consider that they don't want to be treated like cattle, then yes, I would expect more than that. For right or wrong, these people are generally leaving their home country because it is worse than what they expect. Whether that is through jobs, education, or just the standard of living. But I am sure you have so much first hand data from extensive talks with those immigrants that you know this for sure, right?

No, because even in your diatribe, those things you mention, are some of what I expect if I was out in their position. If I were to live in another country, I would want them to educate me or mychildren, to give me healthcare, to give me voting rights when I am able to vote. That is the path to citizenship. Those while not benefits, are rights. The difference to what you describe is when politicians who make examples of them, treating them like cattle, and dehumanizing them for some Twitter likes. So, if it takes a hotel room, where there is no housing for them, a credit card, so thry can get clothes, food and necessities so be it. We as the most prosperous country in the world, can't give to those that wish to come here, just because your ancestors had a rougher time. Well, I'll play you some violin music for you.

According to Christian belief, only God is fit to judge man. Which makes any judgment made by Man null & void. That, when pushed to a logical conclusion, also makes any Law made by man irrelevant.

Except we do not live by the laws of God, we live by the laws of society made by man. Sure, we may be judged by St. Peter in order to get into heaven, but we still live by the laws which we all are supposed to follow in the society, in which we live.

As a society, we do make laws and we do pass judgment and inflict punishment on others. Every civilization through history has used "Rule of Law" through a central government to impose order.
So, according to you, every society everywhere all throughout history are Fascist anti-Christians.
Including the trial of Donald Trump.

What I was referring to was punishment for punishments sake. Tuna wishes to see that punishment put upon those damn, dirty liberals, because they are damned & dorty liberals, regardless of if they are unlawful or not. I have no problems with incarceration as a punishment befitting certain crimes, but bare in mind that that servitude of jail time is you paying back society for those crimes. So when tbat person gets out he is not 2nd class citizen.

Now by your impose order, not every government was good at it, or fair. Even the government of our fair country took the idea that people where considered property and could not have the same rights as you or I. As we grow older and wiser, we must see that those changes to those laws be made better than before, as well as equal application of those laws to all people, regardless of skin colour, financial situation or even political affiliation. As long as it is done fairly, a person who commits a crime shall be judged, by citizens and should face the same judgements, as anyone else.

So in other words, if you don't like that trump was found guilty on 34 counts, well, either find a better class of criminal or don't do the crime.

[Tunaman]

Fixed it for you



Now if you consider that they don't want to be treated like cattle, then yes, I would expect more than that. For right or wrong, these people are generally leaving their home country because it is worse than what they expect. Whether that is through jobs, education, or just the standard of living. But I am sure you have so much first hand data from extensive talks with those immigrants that you know this for sure, right?

No, because even in your diatribe, those things you mention, are some of what I expect if I was out in their position. If I were to live in another country, I would want them to educate me or mychildren, to give me healthcare, to give me voting rights when I am able to vote. That is the path to citizenship. Those while not benefits, are rights. The difference to what you describe is when politicians who make examples of them, treating them like cattle, and dehumanizing them for some Twitter likes. So, if it takes a hotel room, where there is no housing for them, a credit card, so thry can get clothes, food and necessities so be it. We as the most prosperous country in the world, can't give to those that wish to come here, just because your ancestors had a rougher time. Well, I'll play you some violin music for you.




Except we do not live by the laws of God, we live by the laws of society made by man. Sure, we may be judged by St. Peter in order to get into heaven, but we still live by the laws which we all are supposed to follow in the society, in which we live.



What I was referring to was punishment for punishments sake. Tuna wishes to see that punishment put upon those damn, dirty liberals, because they are damned & dorty liberals, regardless of if they are unlawful or not. I have no problems with incarceration as a punishment befitting certain crimes, but bare in mind that that servitude of jail time is you paying back society for those crimes. So when tbat person gets out he is not 2nd class citizen.

Now by your impose order, not every government was good at it, or fair. Even the government of our fair country took the idea that people where considered property and could not have the same rights as you or I. As we grow older and wiser, we must see that those changes to those laws be made better than before, as well as equal application of those laws to all people, regardless of skin colour, financial situation or even political affiliation. As long as it is done fairly, a person who commits a crime shall be judged, by citizens and should face the same judgements, as anyone else.

So in other words, if you don't like that trump was found guilty on 34 counts, well, either find a better class of criminal or don't do the crime.

Get ready to pay 2500 more when Biden reverses the tax cuts. We must pay for the migrants ya know....tax and spend is all you democrats know. There is nothing in our Constitution that says migrants get ANYTHING for free. I for one dont want to pay one more nickel to anyone who comes here illegally. Let them take it out of YOUR paycheck.

[Nobody]

Get ready to pay 2500 more when Biden reverses the tax cuts. We must pay for the migrants ya know....tax and spend is all you democrats know. There is nothing in our Constitution that says migrants get ANYTHING for free. I for one dont want to pay one more nickel to anyone who comes here illegally. Let them take it out of YOUR paycheck.

There is technically nothing to say you should get Medicare or social security, either. But you are still allowed to speak like a Fascist, nonetheless.

But let me explain this to you. An immigrant, comes to the country, goes through the years long process, pays taxes, pays his debts, becomes a productive member of society. Even though 10 years ago, he was paid for from our taxes, he is now a citizen and thus he pays for the next one.

Also, by taxing the wealthy, taxing those corporations that are not paying their fair share, and going after all those tax cheats like that Donald fellow, the money is paid for.

Also, in case you didn't hear, Biden had sold off all that petroleum from the SPR, well he bought back some and made a half BILLION in profit. So not only did he even out the petroleum global pricing, but made a profit on top of it. Maybe you should call that, Art of the Deal

tl;dr: sit back and just run your mouth, while you let the grown ups run the country properly.

[Tunaman]

There is technically nothing to say you should get Medicare or social security, either. But you are still allowed to speak like a Fascist, nonetheless.

But let me explain this to you. An immigrant, comes to the country, goes through the years long process, pays taxes, pays his debts, becomes a productive member of society. Even though 10 years ago, he was paid for from our taxes, he is now a citizen and thus he pays for the next one.

Also, by taxing the wealthy, taxing those corporations that are not paying their fair share, and going after all those tax cheats like that Donald fellow, the money is paid for.

Also, in case you didn't hear, Biden had sold off all that petroleum from the SPR, well he bought back some and made a half BILLION in profit. So not only did he even out the petroleum global pricing, but made a profit on top of it. Maybe you should call that, Art of the Deal

tl;dr: sit back and just run your mouth, while you let the grown ups run the country properly.

The only profit biden ever made for this country was...cant really think of any. Biden is a liar and a thief. Quit watching the View...they have ruined your mind already. Immigrants come here legally Not swim across. Get your facts straight.

[Pyrate Jim]

There is technically nothing to say you should get Medicare or social security, either.

Half a century ago, I entered into a contract with our government. Not that I was given a choice.
The government could take part of my earnings every week to use and invest as they saw fit. In return, I would get that money back when I retired. As I have.
I would say the expectation that our own government would abide by that agreement and honor its obligations is a pretty big technicality.

I'm not on Medicare or Medicaid, yet the cost for it is still deducted from the checks they send me.

[Nobody]

The only profit biden ever made for this country was...cant really think of any. Biden is a liar and a thief. Quit watching the View...they have ruined your mind already. Immigrants come here legally Not swim across. Get your facts straight.

Exactly. You are being fed lies, when the truth is quite contrary to what you have been told.

It's just like that guy that said he had a cousin in the jury and foxnews ran with it, saying it was a mistrial. Low and behold, that guy admitted he was trolling. Yup, keep on believing the BS. In the ear and out the mouth, never stopping in between

[Beemer]

Exactly.

It's just like that guy that said

You are being fed lies, when the truth is quite contrary to what you have been told.

Yup, keep on believing the BS. In the ear and out the mouth, never stopping in between.

Don't you know when to shut the hell up.

[Pyrate Jim]

We are all being fed lies. From all sides we hear contradicting "truths".
It's when you swallow one or another you start calling anything contrary a lie. Or Fascist, or Racist or whatever evil, wicked, mean and nasty name you come up with.
Were I a practicing Solipsist, I would say that Truth is only what you yourself believe. Belief is the product of imagination.
What I believe is that societal manipulation is responsible for the current polarization. It's an intentional indoctrination to divide and conquer.

[Nobody]

We are all being fed lies. From all sides we hear contradicting "truths".

[/QUOTE]

To a point, yes everything is a lie, but where is that point? Where is the line in what I perceived as a truth and you a lie and vice versa? No matter what, there are truths that are irrefutable. The world is a globe. The sky is blue. The grass is green. It is when you only stay on the edges, you wish to obfuscate and manipulate those truths for your own self-being. Like, trump committed crimes. He is a felon. He says Fascist rhetoric.

It's when you swallow one or another you start calling anything contrary a lie. Or Fascist, or Racist or whatever evil, wicked, mean and nasty name you come up with.

When something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. With that, when you have someone portend that a criminal is a hostage, that he lost a free and fair election as fraud, and that he wants to turn a free and democratic country into state dedicated to himself. So you believe his lies, and then call me a liar for trying to show you the truth. Not my truth, but honest truth. Who is the problem? It is not me, as I try not to use biases in those truths. Yet, I am castigsted as the liar for telling you what you don't wish to hear.

I am not trying to tell you that the sky isn't blue, I am just trying to get you to open your eyes.

Were I a practicing Solipsist, I would say that Truth is only what you yourself believe. Belief is the product of imagination.

You say that, yet you do not wish to live in reality. Reality is that your party lies to you. When those lies don't work anymore, thry tell you more lies. Trump said that mail in ballots where bad. Now he is saying that the GOP needs to go all in on mail in ballots. What is the lie, what is the truth?

The truth is that there was never a problem till someone told you it was a problem. The truth is, no matter how many lies, your guy isn't as popular as he makes himself out to be.

What I believe is that societal manipulation is responsible for the current polarization. It's an intentional indoctrination to divide and conquer.

But by who? Is this a current thing or does it have ties back to the 80s, or 70s, or even 60s? What you said is good word salad, but what does it mean? Why is it that we need bipartisanship in any bill/law that is intended to help the country as a whole? Likewise, how did you become manipulated. Is it the constant word salad that you are being fed? Is it the talking heads that keep saying all the same words(Hillary, George Soros, communist, socialist, etc) but in different order, to keep you feeding from the same slop traffic? Or is it just greed, that made any news program go sensationalist, with bigger and badder news stories to keep you tuned in, always dictating what they want you to watch and hiding the truth. For the more you watch, the more advertising they show, the more money they make, till the point that there is no more news that they can show you, but still get you to keep engaged ,never having you questioning what is being shown?

[Nobody]

You are being fed lies, when the truth is quite contrary to what you have been told.

Yup, keep on believing the BS. In the ear and out the mouth, never stopping in between.

Don't you know when to shut the hell up.

First off, what is your argument? Where is your data to prove me wrong?

Secondly, you repeating exactly what I wrote, tells me that not only can you not come up with a coherent argument, but it is plagiarizing me. So anything you have to say is basically, even less than everyone else. It is like you are trolling me, but calling me the troll. Great job!

[maniacmechanic]

We are all being fed lies. From all sides we hear contradicting "truths".
It's when you swallow one or another you start calling anything contrary a lie. Or Fascist, or Racist or whatever evil, wicked, mean and nasty name you come up with.
Were I a practicing Solipsist, I would say that Truth is only what you yourself believe. Belief is the product of imagination.
What I believe is that societal manipulation is responsible for the current polarization. It's an intentional indoctrination to divide and conquer.

YOU are 100% Correct ,,,, IMO