Stop Terrorism

[slayer]

I am reading about the newest acts of violence comitted between Israeli's and Palestinians. I really have to wonder if Israel really thinks they are going to stop suicide bombers, by driving tanks around, and rounding people up. What are these people thinking.
Actually we have better get our act together also. Whoever thinks we are going to kill all the terrorists is an idiot. You know, we may have stopped bin Laden from ever being able to comitt another attack against the US. Don't you think there is someone else, to take his place? Remember, when the trade center was just blown up, and not knocked down?

The point of this post is a request for the reader to look further than the application of firepower(which can do a lot, but is only a treatment...)to terrorism. While there are always going to be people you can't reason with(because they are insane) there are generally a lot more that you can. I wrote this because I was frustrated by reading the news. We must work towards solving the issues between us and hostile nations, not only bombing terrorists that may reside in their country.
My suggestion to prevent being attacked is to take away a people's reason for wanting to attack us, as well as a reasonable level of vigilance, after we are attacked we must endeavor to capture the guilty party(s).

[RATM]

*waits to see if this is deleted*

[Panzerr]

Take away people's reason to attack us? I don't see how we could possibly do that. We aren't about to change our foreign policy, ditch our political and ecomonic allies and change our very way of life with the hope that these fundamentalists will leave us alone. It won't happen.

A show of force is needed in response. We get pushed, so we push back. We can't let the schoolyard bully get away with our lunch money every time.

[slayer]

Well Panzer, that may be true but I think it would be worthwhile to investigate why we are hated at the very least. We can not begin to address issues, until we know what they are. I don't see America as a completely unreasonable country, we certainly act in our own interests, and claim to act in those of humanity. So I imagine we at least are able to work things out, if the other side is...

Oh, and RATM...this may get deleted, but thanks for bumping it. I already received one intelligent response.

[Panzerr]

Yeah, that's true. We may be willing to, but they must be willing too. I'd think that if they feel that they have to kill innocent people (and feel justified in doing it), they are problably beyond that point.

[slayer]

Panzer, maybe you and I should use chat(it is a two person post) , but seriously: my personal feeling is that some people in those countries don't want to be suicide bombers and if given the chance want to come to a peaceful agreement.

On the topic of talks.
The biggest problem I see with Israeli Palestinian peace talks are that we are moderating them. I am not saying the US is even doing anything wrong at the talks, but we surely can not be seen as impartial. We provide Israel with military help, and have very good relations with them. What needs to be there is a truly impartial moderator. Then despite the insanity going on, I think that if truly impartial moderators are employed in other negotiations I think that talks will go better.

[a_malfunction]

Who, do you think, could be that impartial moderator?

[epterry]

were hated because were FREE if you want to give up FREEDOM to stop terrorism your crazy. if you want to give up all the modern things you own so they wont hate you. go ahead. this country is founded on biblical princables. they hate that. why because its not what they belive.



*waits for Shartly to post*

[Ov3rmind]

You have to realize, that no matter what we do, someone is always going to hate us for some reason. You can't please everyone, and besides, it's not the US's job to please everyone either. So those who don't like us, and act on it, I feel we have every right to act back. There will always be psychos and evil people who'll hate the US (and want to kill innocent men, women, and children), that's just the way it is. And for many of them, the only way it'll stop, is to erradicate them, they just aren't going to negotiate/reason with us.

[Dude]

This will get closed, but I really want to share my opinion.

"I don't see America as a completely unreasonable country, we certainly act in our own interests, and claim to act in those of humanity." (Slayer)

You are somewhat correct. For example we see this when the United States guaranteed the safety of the people in Iraq so that they would fight against Sadam. The U.S. never came through on its side of this deal and a whole lot of the Iraqi people fighting Sadam died because of it.

"I really have to wonder if Israel really thinks they are going to stop suicide bombers, by driving tanks around, and rounding people up. What are these people thinking." (Slayer)

A lot of people think this. I personally think that they had just cause to do these military missions to try and scare Arafat(sp?) into actually catching some of the cuicide bombers. He clearly has not been doing much about the Palestinian terrorists because several recent bombing have come from one of his political organizations.

How about this solution to the middle east problem: Isreal gives back the West Bank and some other places that the Palestinians want. This does not include Jerusalem. Then the U.S. and the Arab league create a stable government in the Palestinian state. However, for each terrorist attack by Palestinians against the state of Isreal, The Isrealis are allowed to reclaim pieces of the returned areas back from the Palestinian state.

[TylerDurden]

Perhaps they'll run out of suicide bombers.:o

[TylerDurden]

By that, I mean people willing to die to get their point across. If 30 bombings didn't make their statement then 31 probably won't either.

[Nitroduck]

Why do they attack us?


1. We went to the middle east to help the Kuwaitis with Iraq. We posted up military bases in Saudi Arabia (which houses Mecca, the Musim's most holy place).

Because of this, the terrorists feel that since we are there, we're desecrating thier Mosques by even being there with a presence. Read the Koran to see what happens to people who desecrate mosques. In the Koran, when someone (or more specifically, a nation) desecrates a mosque, the nation is to fight back and kill them all. I believe the refferance to this is 2:194-5 in the Koran.

2. We back Israel, which they obviously hate. They're the only non-Muslim country in the region.....And again, they believe they've desecrated thier Mosques.....Which is punishable by death/war.

We're doing the same thing with Al-Queda that Israel is doing to the Palestine. The only differance is we don't have a whole nation friendly to terrorists next to us......Look at what we did to communist-friendly nations during the cold war, and we still do. We support anti-marxist military forces in South America, and supplied 2 different anti-communist wars with troops, and far many more with arms and people to train them.

All I can say is do what we do to Al-queda. Just let Israel fight it out with thier terrorists, we'll fight it out with our terrorists. We're no different than what Israel is doing.

[Fred]

Why Hippies shouldn't decide on foreign policy...

(steps up on soap-box)

Listen up.
First thing to do is, this: Stop watching the liberal-press, which, in the US, is just about ALL the press. They will tell you that the Israelis are running amok with their tanks, killing X amount of innocent Arabs (Not: I will not use the term "Palestinian", since it refers to everyone who lives in Palestine).

The Suicide Bombers do nothing but murder innocent civilians and the occasional soldier that they can catch unaware. If they were true warriors, instead of cowards, they would try to fight the soldiers, not demoralize them and the people they are trying to protect by bombing busses, cafes, and markets.

The reason the Arabs hate the Jews is this: They have money, power, and were given their historical homeland back after WWII. There are other religious reasons too, but we won't go there on this forum.

The militant Islamic forces around the world won't stop until they are all dead, or we are all dead. It's really that simple. They hate us, and won't stop hating until there isn't anything left to hate.

The US is the only world superpower left, with that standing this country is obligated to do some things, including police the countries that are unable to police themselves, and to protect countries that are attacked by those who are unable to police themselves.

Sometimes Force and Military Action IS all that we can do.

Remember when the first bombing happened at the WTC? Bubba Bo Bob didn't do crap, and look what happened? Bin Laden was able to run away and lived to fight again, and the second time around his plan worked.

(steps down off soapbox)

[Dude]

"Stop watching the liberal-press, which, in the US, is just about ALL the press." (Fred)

I won't say what I really think about this rediculous statement.

"Sometimes Force and Military Action IS all that we can do."
(Fred)

Now that is true.

"The US is the only world superpower left, with that standing this country is obligated to do some things, including police the countries that are unable to police themselves, and to protect countries that are attacked by those who are unable to police themselves." (Fred)

That is true in most circumstances as well.