ATTN...sifu01

[vf-xx]

I'm not quite sure HOW it works, I just know that it does. Somcething silly about voulnteering to let people try chokes on me .

[Tactical Neural Implant]

I have to agree with VF-XX, I have been in a triangle lock several times almost to the point of passing out. After about 2-3 seconds you start to black out. That's why it so important to tap when you feel whoozy, and why you should pay attention to your grappling partner. Some chokes do take awhile depending on how much you resist. Generally speaking when your applying a choke on someone you are in a "superior" position, which is deceptive to non-grapplers. (high school wrestlers love to turn their back to me because thats how they train. Ask VF-XX what happens if you give him your back in a grappling match!) The superior position gives you a better chance of pulling off your hold. (while in the guard your on the bottom and it may appear that the opponent above you has the advantage, but that's not the case.)There are counters to every hold and position but not everybody knows them or can apply them. Truthfully, the best bet in my opinion is a combination of Mantis' style with grappling. If your in the mounted position and can soften him up with several blows to the head, it will be that much easier to choke him out.

Some holds don't choke but hyper extend joints or muscles. (ankle locks, gilotine,etc) Obviously this might not stop
a drug possed man but it may make it easier to restrain him until some help comes along. I have seen/used pressure points to escape from holds so it pays to know them.

Oh and I forget the actual definitions but the difference between a choke and strangle is that one cuts out oxygen from your brain, the other blood to your brain
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RocP15126 aka: Tactical Neural Implant (different computer and location.)

[vf-xx]

Ick yeah, the triangle is nasty! Personally i'm still working on things to do from the back, but if you're wearing a gi or a jacket i've got some pretty nasty stuff.

I'm not trying to down play strikes, its just that we don't train them in my class. This is because we don't use them in tournaments. Real life is much different. Thats what makes the mounted position so much better. You can easily hit them, but it's much harder for them to get any powerful shots in.

Rocp15126: Have you learned the knee in the stomach type mount yet? That's what we've been working this week, it's soo much fun and gives you great leverage for some chokes.

[Tactical Neural Implant]

I haven't learned that position yet. Could you describe it? In my opinion, BJJ is probably one of the best grappling arts out there. I'd probably put judo up there also. Most of the Japanese ju-jutsu I've seen definately concentrates more on the stand up grappling game. I'm not bagging on it, just that it's not in the ground grappling game. Has anyone studied any other grappling arts? sambo, freestyle, etc?

Mantis,
Do you study pressure points in your art? Do you study like chi flow and meridians or just the specific human pressure points?

JRSJKD
I recently got some Paul Vunak tapes. Man he's awesome! Have you /do you study Kina Mutai?

[vf-xx]

Knee in the stomach: Pretty simple, you put one shin across their stomach or pelvis keeping your toes on the ground and mold your foot to thier side. You use your other foot to stablize the base by keeping it out behind and slightly to the side of you. Make sure that the stabilizing foot is parralel to your opponent.

It's much easier to show than to explain in words. but it's a great attacking position.

[MantisMag]

no we don't use pressure points in mantis style. or at least my sifu hasn't taught us any. we mostly attack the joints and soft areas of the body. knees, elbows and shoulders. eyes, neck, temples, smallest rib, and groin. thsoe are the target areas we usually go for. the wrists are also used as a control point.

most of what i know about pressure points comes from a friend who studied in japan. he mastered several styles while he was there. when i say mastered i mean he really mastered not just worked his way up to black belt. one of his senseis actually wanted him to be the school's emissary to the states. these guys studied hardcore. when they did choking and strangling they didn't do them to tapout. they did them to unconsciousness. that way they know just how much it takes and what it feels like. same with those pressure points. when he says he can knock someone out with a finger jab he means it. he's actually done it. not somebody you wanna mess around with.