Civil War/ Confederate Flag Continuation

[ShooterJM]

Interesting discussion started in another thread, created this to keep original thread on topic.

[Army]

Tread VERY lightly on this one. I will close and delete it at the first hint of impropriety. Army

[MagMan5446]

Why keep it flying? It's represents a fallen era. No point in keeping that up.

[Army]

The Rebel battle flag still represents American soldiers.

The two sides, of course, had their economic and social differences, but never did anyone renounce being an American. The southern states hold pride deeply, and the flag is a symbol of the pride of doing what they considered necessary.

It is not a representation of the times, but one of honor for those who fought for what was believed to be right.

[TransMan]

Yes a Agree with ARMY living in A Southern state and one that was on the border i had a lot of relatives there were on dif sides during the Cival War and i have respect for both and i believe that Flying the Flag out of Respect for those who fought and died is not wrong in anyway.
That was a big sentence

[wyn1370]

I have no problem when people use the flag for the reasons stated above. But here in the north the flag is used by KKK and other racist groups as an insult to minorities. That is why many people have issues when they see one. It is a great symbol that has been tarnished by missuse.

[TransMan]

Yes i agree with Wyn also The Flag should be Flown out of respect for the Soilders not to make a political or Racial statement when someone uses the Flag in that way it is disrespectful to the Soilders and the minorities that are being persecuted by it.

[-J�ker-]

Originally posted by wyn1370
I have no problem when people use the flag for the reasons stated above. But here in the north the flag is used by KKK and other racist groups as an insult to minorities. That is why many people have issues when they see one. It is a great symbol that has been tarnished by missuse.

ok im from the south and maybe i can speak for us southerners

ok here it goes..... the CONFEDERATE flag (not rebel) stands for our heritage (not hate) even though some evil racist parties (like the KKK) use it to put down and disgrace some groups of people while it is true the KKK formed in the south (Tennesee where i was born) and is really a dead org. imo and should have its plug pulled by the government as should the black panthers ('racism is scism on a serious tip
you don't belive me then I go on bust your lip' ok i had to)
so dont sonfuse HERITAGE with HATE there are many misconceptions with the 'Civil War' on both sides but lets not gwet into that lets just live and let live and move on its really childish to try and ban a flag because people misunderstand it and its meanings...

http://members.tripod.com/~txscv/csa.htm <-- that should stop some confusion of what the flags are

Dixie
I wish I was in the land of cotton,
old times there are not forgotten,
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie land.
In Dixie land where I was born in, early on a frosty mornin',
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie land.
Chorus:
Then I wish I was in Dixie, hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie land I'll take my stand, to live and die in Dixie,
Away, away, away down south in Dixie,
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.

Old Missus marry Will de Weaber, Will-yum was a gay deceaber,
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie land.
But when he put his arm around her,
smiled as fierce as a forty pounder.
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie land. (Chorus)

Dars buckwheat cakes an' ingen batter, makes you fat or a little fatter,
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie land.
Den hoe it down and scratch your grabble to Dixie's land
I'm bound to travel,
Look away, look away, look away Dixie land. (Chorus)

[wyn1370]

I'm not saying ban the thing. Heck no. But what you guys from the south don't see very much is the stupid northerners that have never even been across the mason/dixie line in their lives that fly the flag fanatically. That's what most people get upset about.

[-J�ker-]

well what i have to say about that wyn is truthfully they have no right to fly the flag they know so little about for example how would you feel if some guy who wasnt a part of your team (in any sport doesnt matter) wore your uniform but acted like a moron in it and gave yall a bad name.. id say he shoudnt have the right to wear it if he isnt a part of it and CERTAINLY if he gave the team a bad image just my opnion hope it doesnt offend anybody that i think people shoudnt have the right to fly a flag like that

[wyn1370]

my point exactly. That's why I brought it up. I now know why decent southerners fly the flag proudly and you now know why sometimes northerners take offense to it. Now if everyone could see this it wouldn't be such a big deal. Except for those idiots that don't deserve to fly it.

[TransMan]

Yes I agree with Joker and yn the peopel that have not lived in the South and have not had any relitives that have lived in the south do not deserve to be able to Fly the flag. Most importantly those who give it a bad reputation those people are idiots.

[-J�ker-]

http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html

found this there

It is necessary to disclaim any connection of these flags to neo-nazis, red-necks, skin-heads and the like. These groups have adopted this flag and desecrated it by their acts. They have no right to use this flag - it is a flag of honor, designed by the confederacy as a banner representing state's rights and still revered by the South. In fact, under attack, it still flies over the South Carolina capitol building. The South denies any relation to these hate groups and denies them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the conderacy only exacerbate the lies which link the seccesion to slavery interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.

Note contributed by BJ Meksikatsi.

[ShooterJM]

Where to start?

Well I was born and lived in Michigan and Connecticut for about 14 years. Then I bounced between Colorado and Missouri during school. Gave me a pretty good glimpse of both cultures I think. I understand the pride inherent in the heritage of the flag. I imagine it's similar to seeing your family's coat of arms or viking ancestory (if applicable). I also understand that the flag symbolizes two distinct things to different people. I guess my feeling is that people have the right to proclaim their heritage.

[Kaiser Bob]

Indeed the main issue that started the Civil War was state's rights and the fear of despotism from the federal government. The south felt that adopting the Constitution over the Articles of Confederation was a very bad idea and that the nation should go back to the system it was founded upon... a confederacy. However slavery was a key part of the states rights issue, as the south felt that abolishing slavery would ruin the southern economy, as it was primarily agrarian and that the north was being callous only because industry ran the north and the loss of slavery wouldent have much of an impact. So yes the south was fighting for slavery in the civil war.

PS- The purpose of my post was that many try to seperate slavery from the civil war only noting states' rights, however that way of being PC has led to people being misinformed.