Okay for the sake of current knowlegde. Lets assume he sends said ball 3 minutes into the future. For three minutes though, said ball matter does not exsist, or atlease not here. The ball goes into a fifth dimension(Hyperspace)so actually it still exsists, but not in this world, which would shatter the laws of matter, because the ball is leaving our four dimensional universe, and becoming part of a five dimensional universe hidden within our own three dimensions. Does that make any sense?
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If any of you guys would pay attention to movie science, you'd know that the ball would just start to fade into 100% translucency.... just like Michael J Fox did
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if you could really do that it would be insane because you could just think you are going to send yourself something in the future and it would just happen. IE im going to send myself all the stock reports, and results of sporting events from 2002-2012 in 2013.
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No, because we don't live in movies. In order for reverse time travel to be remotely possible, we'd hafta have an infinite number of parallel universes, each one a standard unit of time behind the other. If Kaiser Bob v.1.0(ie: You), recieves stock reports from a time machine, then that means Kaiser Bob v.1.1(Your parrallel universe counterpart buddy) had possestion of said stock reports, But since you never had the stock reports, and KBv1.1 is you parallel universe counterpart buddy, he doesn't either, so therefore he could not send stock reports back in time, and you(Kaiser Bob v.1.0)will sell your entire portfolio of Frozen Concentrated Orange juice a few minutes too early. Sorry, you will always be one step behind
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how bout if there was multipul universes, like one for each moment of time or more. Matter and energy can't be destroyed or created under normal conditions, wasn't that the law? or w/o the under normal conditions part? If matter and energy can't be created or destroyed, then couldn't the ball shift to an energy state and pass to the diff universe? that way matter is not destoryed or created, simply moved, once there it could be converted to the matter state again....wow...how the f did i come up with that
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Re: A tough puzzle for everyone to discuss
First of all we're not living in a Newtonian universe anymore. But to correct you here, it actually states that the total amount of matter and energy in the universe is constant.Originally posted by Python14
According to the laws of matter, it cannot be destroyed or created, correct? Well, where did the ball come from? Think about it. Couldn't this suggest a multiple Universe theory?
Second I will recommend reading Einstein's 2 major postulates of relativity.
Further, relative to the ball in the "original" [which shall be denoted A] time frame nothing has been created. Its just that a ball from a different frame has been introduced to the system relative to the first.
To explain, the "transported" ball has then been removed from its frame of reference [denoted B] and placed in A. Nothing has been created or destroyed. Put simply, frame B is now devoid of its ball, but it has not been destroyed; it is simply in frame A. This also explains why nothing has been created in A, it has just been moved from B.
Just make sure that after reading this, take some aspirin.
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OK, I think the matter/energy and frame of reference arguments, working together obviate the need for a parallel universe.
But think of this: Supposed Jim decided to GET a ball, and send it back in time - but at the moment he doesn't have one. Then at 11:57 a ball appears. Three minutes later he sends THAT ball back in time.
Did the ball ever actually exist?
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lol.....python isnt smoking....Jim is
actually....your right,they cant coexist,therfor he only has 1 ball....the first ball left his posession and then returned 3 minutes....but THEN...if it goes BACK in time,he wouldnt even have the single ball to do the experiment with....since he did it at noon....
ok ok,he has 2 balls,but dont tell the government that
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Alkafluence, yea, basically thats what I was hitting on. The ball is from somewhere else. And somewhere else is missing a ball.
fatman, How would it start, or end? Or more importantly, where?Comment
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It wouldn't start or end anywhere, its a simple causal loop: ball appears at time X and so that at time X+n it can go back in time n units. Simple! What's the problem?Originally posted by Python14
Alkafluence, yea, basically thats what I was hitting on. The ball is from somewhere else. And somewhere else is missing a ball.
fatman, How would it start, or end? Or more importantly, where?
The ball isn't missing, and it isn't from somewhere else - it simply exists during the time between when it appears from the future and the time when it disappears to the past.
Its kindof like those movies where a guy goes back in time, meets a girl and becomes his own father (or grandfather). No problem. Happens around here all the time! I live in South Carolina - we have a name for it here: inbreeding!
LOL!
Anyway it does seem kindof spooky until you realize that country folk in the deep South have been on top of this for generations!
Think about it!
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Haha great, Could this mean new golden age of AO posts?
Anyway, Has anyone read "Hyperspace:A Scientific odyssey through Parallel universes, time warps, and the Tenth Dimension" by Michio Kaku? I haven't yet but I've heard it is good. Anyone?Comment
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All you gotta do is get these basic concepts:
1) Time is not not linear on a past to present axis
2) If something happened, it happened.
3) Each object experiences time independent of all other objects
Thus you will see that, in the first scenario, at 1157, as tom was setting up for his experiment, the 'older' ball actually appeared. And at 1200 he sent the 'newer' ball back to become the 'older' ball. Thus, poor tom only had balls for three minutes of his life.
As to the old grandfather act. . . It didn't happen, did it? Well, guess its not going to, because it already did.
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well to send it in the past it would be there the first time he went through correct. So in actuallity the two balls would have been there the whole time. I can't explain what i am trying to say very well.
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