Five IRon Fernzy anyone?

[Ni cD]

Originally posted by MajorDamage
Then do you KNOW that you ar on the planet Earth? Do you KNOW that you are human? Do you KNOW that you are reading this? I am as sure about my faith, as these things.

ENDO!

No kiddin'?

I'm sure Islamic people feel the same way about their faith. Think about this for a minute...

Do you (Major, Beam) have any proof that God exists?

Do you (Restola, 5446, others) have any proof that God doesn't exist?

I don't have any real proof that there is a God, but I believe there's one - and that's good enough for me.

Assalamu Alaikum, guys!!!

[Restola]

nope i have no proof what so ever. just a strong belief in common sence. thats why i posted before that

i can believe whatever i want

everyone has a right to believe wholeheartedly in anything they want. if they didnt believe it it wouldnt be their faith MagMan. of course muslims have to believe what they believe in. of course jews have to believe what they believe in. that is not the issue.
i just happen to also feel (very strongly) that i have a right not to be continuously introduced to religion over and over (goes back to to the original music post). i do my best to avoid situations i dont feel comfortable in or dont feel comfortable supporting with my presence and i repsect when other people respect my desire not to hear about it (it=whatever they have to say).
there comes a point somewhere after "general knowledge of subject X" where it just becomes too much. this of course does not only apply to religion. if you are tired of hearing about civil rights then that means you dont want to hear about it. whether you know everything about the topic or absolutly nothing, you dont want to hear it. on tv, the radio, friends, strangers. so you avoid it or ignore it. at least i do (after i know the issue and the sides).
the natural reaction of some religions is "oh you just havent heard it the right way, let me explain". which of course only fuels the fire. people do not want to accept that they need to let other people make the right decision. you cannot force someone to change their beliefs. you can only introduce it and let THEM deside to change their mind. im sure many young boys and girls have gone through this with their parents and paintball. asking you parents 5 times a day "you have to let me play paintball?" will not be effective to all but the weakest of parents. saying "hey dad, my friend billy plays paintball, he loves it, and i think it would be a good after-school activity for me to get involved with" and giving him a chance to think about it is MUCH more effective.
sure some people consider their faith to be an extremely serious subject. i dont. ill make my decision somewhere down the road. but it wont be with some stranger at an airport staring over my shoulder.

[MajorDamage]

Ni_cD I have proof. What more proof do you need than the world and people? If God didn't create us, who did? If you found a car siting in a junk yard, would you beleive that it formed out of nothing, and evolved into that car? No. You would know that someone created it. You don't see the person who made it, but you know it didn't come out of thin air. God created the world, and us. That and he continually proves himself day in and day out. Restola, im not trying to force you into anything, just stating my side of it. And the fact that the Jews themselves don't beleive that Jesus was the Christ is another comfirmation. One of the prophesys about the Messiah was that his own people would reject him.

ENDO!

[Restola]

the junk yard car is a bad analogy. ive heard it before. it way way way undersimplifies the problem of evolution.

one way i rationalize how we humans can be SO complicated, yet could have been made through the natural evolution of the world is this:
look at yuor computer. it is incredibly complex. plastic, microprocessors, cd-roms and harddrives. every single one of those pieces had to evolve to be at their current level. just looking at a pc now, someone in africa would think it was amazing, and even if he was told, he probably wouldnt understand the process that got it to where it is now.

i think we are similar. we never saw the process leading up to the 'computer'. we never saw the industrial revolution, franklin's kite flying, the invention of plastic, modern mathmatics. each of these on its own could take a lifetime to study. we dont know how we evolved together, we just see the finished product; thousands and thousands of chemical reactions that seem to work together magically and form the current human being.

of course there is absolutly no way to prove what happend in the past and i wont pretend there is. we all must rely on our own instincs, surroundings, and education to form what we believe is a rational explaination of ourselves.

[Ni cD]

Originally posted by Restola
of course there is absolutly no way to prove what happend in the past and i wont pretend there is. we all must rely on our own instincs, surroundings, and education to form what we believe is a rational explaination of ourselves.

Exactly!!!

My religion (Christianity) teaches that I, as a Christian, should spread the word about Jesus. BUT!!! Its totally wrong to force my beliefs on someone else, or just nag at them. We all just have to come to our own conclusion.

We had a huge thread a while ago that discussed this. It basically turned into a flame war because a few people started saying stuff like "Well my faith is true, and you're going to hell!!!" - I got soooo pissed off. Yes, I do believe that unless you accept Jesus into your heart that you're going to hell. Its sad, but its my truth. That doesn't give me the right to tell everyone who has differing religions (or lack thereof) that when they die only eternal suffering waits for them.

So if you guys feel that thats what we're doing, sorry.

Just remember - Jesus saves!!

[MajorDamage]

Yes Ni_cD it dosnt really give you the right to say "YOU HEATHEN!!! YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!" but your job as a Christian is to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. Im not trying to shove anyone into anything, just defending my case.

ENDO!

[ellfmeister]

ska, punk, God, and paintbal!!!!!! a way of life

fif kicks!!!!!!!
~supertones
~FiF
~Reliant K
~Superchick
~average
~MxPx
~Audio Adrenaline

[MajorDamage]

Im getting ready to go see FIF, Relient K, Ace Troubleshooter, and some d00d named John Reubens(I wonder if he's related to Paul...Na, he changed his name to Reubens from some weird name, surry!) and I will be having FUN, FUN, FUN! I'll post on how it goes! Im planning on getting a FIF sticker for my hopper! Oh, and ellfmeister, I enjoy most of those bands to(and have seen them in concert! All except superchick and average after tonight. Im not a fan of AudioA anymore tho.).

ENDO!

[Army]

Even though the rules clearly state that religeous threads are not allowed, you guys have kept this surprisingly clean and civil. Keep it this way and I will leave it up, first hint at a flame and the whole thing goes! Army

[Restola]

im done anyways. thanks admins though for letting us all break the rules, and thanks to everyone for not turning this into a holy war it was good to hear so many people's thoughts.

[Ni cD]

Yeah, I think this thread is just about spent...good job on keeping this civil, guys!

[beam]

Yep...I agree. This has been an exception. Thanks mods for letting it go, and thanks guys for keeping it civil.

Major: It's John Rueben...and he is a protege of Toby Mac. Hopefully he will do: "Do not tell me what I can and can not do when I rock!" That's a sweet song.

Later all.

[MagMan5446]

Originally posted by MajorDamage
Ni_cD I have proof. What more proof do you need than the world and people? If God didn't create us, who did?

ENDO!

I believe there is a God. I also believe in evolution.

I'm not just saying this about Christianity. I'm saying this same thing about Jewism, Islam, Buddhism, whatever religion. You do not know what happened back then, no one does. We have theories of what happened, also known as religions.

I'm not saying that Christianity is wrong. I'm not saying any religion is wrong. I'm saying that no one can be sure that a religion is true, no one ever will.

Now, the question (for me anyway), is how did God (or whatever you want to call him) get there.

[MajorDamage]

Heya. Thanx Army for letting it slide. I was wondering if this would get deleted .
Magman5446, I can't tell you where God came from, but only that he has always been there. He is on so much of a bigger plateu(SP?) than us that our perception of time and space and all that stuff is diffrent than his. And we will know which religion is right some day, when you die, or when the rapture comes. So there is a way to know, and I beleive we will see the rapture pretty soon.

<B>NOW FOR THE CONCERT INFO!</B>

Concert was great! Ace Troubleshooter opened, they were pretty good but not the best. I enjoyed them though! And then John Rueben was rap, which I do not care for.
Relient K rocked! They were soooo good. They came out all wearing Alien costumes and just walked around the stage for a while, hehe. They opened with their Charles In Charge remake! Sweeet. I was moshing for part of Ace's set, and then stopped cuz you can't mosh to rap, then moshed for about half of Relient K's till I needed water, and realized my shoe was falling apart! So I sat out on moshing the rest of the night, that way I wouldnt walk away with half a shoe(superglue can fix all!). FIF Was soooooooooooo great! Even better than the last time I saw them! They came out all dressed funny. Reese Roper(lead singer) was dressed as somekind of crazy boyscout, Micah Ortega(guitar) was dressed up as like an old hillbilly, and everyone else had all kinds of crazy stuff to. It was great. I bit my tongue in the mosh pit though, and may have broke my watch! But it was great! I may be seeing Disciple Tommorow!(How cool would that be? 2 concerts, and paintball on Saturday!!!!). Keep rocking! Punk, and Skacore concerts rock! And maybe a hardcore concert tommorow(or its after 12...TODAY!)!

ENDO!

[Ni cD]

Glad you had fun at the concert!!!