...EVERYONE should see this.

[halB]

first off, hitler was elected by a democratic process, and therefore cant be compared to our president if he tried to ban guns.

second off, we aint gonna have a hitler here in the us, we dont have that bad of economic troubles. we also have a constitution, no matter how hard the president is trying to get rid of it.

third off, i think we should have like hunting rifles, but for the love of god, get rid of pistols, automatic weapons, assault guns, etc. etc. im only for keeping big *** rifles and shotguns. noone goes hunting with an uzi.

fourth, i dont care how many people have been killed by there governments, there called despots, and dictators, and usually gas there people to death. we have checks on that, it aint gonna happen at least not for a few more years. those statistics, if they even exist, come from third world countries with oppresive governments.

fifth, that numbers NOTHING compared to the number of people killed by guns in this country when you take it as a whole. 120 million? well lets divide that up to every country, get an average, and more people die every day from suicides using guns int he us than die from their governments.

[Restola]

Originally posted by halB
that numbers NOTHING compared to the number of people killed by guns in this country when you take it as a whole. 120 million? well lets divide that up to every country, get an average, and more people die every day from suicides using guns int he us than die from their governments.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a liberal as I described above.

YOU CANNOT GET RID OF GUNS. THERE IS NO MAGIC WAND. MAKING THEM ILLEGAL DOESN'T WORK.

I will not spend any more time to point out the obvious ignorance and short-sightedness of your statements.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Restola
I will not spend any more time to point out the obvious ignorance and short-sightedness of your statements.

You've hit on one of the distinguishing characteristics of liberal thinking. Short sightedness in dealing with issues.

People getting shot? Their solution? Take away the guns.

Have you fixed the underlying problem of mutual respect that people are so lacking today? Have you fixed the rampant disregard for the gun laws already on the books? Nope.

Making gun laws only affects one type of person. The law abiding citizen who follows the law.

Criminals don't follow laws, this is why they're criminals.

Ask the Brits how draconian gun laws have worked in their country.

Home invasion robberies, assaults, and murder have all skyrocketed since these oppresive laws were enacted.

3 countries in the free world have basically disarmed their citizens through gun registration and confiscation:
Canada, the UK, and Australia. All of them are now experiencing resurgent crime rates. All of the gun bans were enacted by "liberal" governments.

Don't think it can happen here? How long will it take before the "right" Supreme Court is in place and they decide the 2nd doesn't apply to the individual.

More and more elected officials are invading private homes with their legislation. Boston enacted a paintball gun ban inside their city limits. Nevermind that it's your house it's stored in.

Rochester, NY here has enacted legislation that says if you own a gun, it MUST have a trigger lock AND be locked in a gun safe at all times. Again, never mind it's in YOUR home.

It's the small incremental steps they take in the name of "safety" and crime fighting that are the insidious beginnings of total gun banishment.

Yes, there are at last count some 200+ million guns throughout this country. The vast majority of which are kept by people just like me and you. It's absolutely NONE of the governments business who has how many of what kind either.

And it isn't my neighbors business, nor is it yours to know what I have and how many. Nor is it mine to know what you have. This is basic privacy here. Very basic.

If the government decides ballistic fingerprinting and registration are good things, how long do you think it will take before that database is used to disarm legal gun owners in the name of safety? If they know who has them, they can issue warrants to come get them. Or force you to turn them in. Ask any former Aussie gun owner if you don't think it can happen.

The longer term thinking on how to fix this?

Instead of worrying about how many guns there are in private citizens hands, let's start worrying about how to take criminals off the streets.

Jails are overcrowded? BUILD MORE FRIGGIN JAILS!

Courts are nothing but revolving doors for repeat offenders? Get rid of parole. Actually enforcing the punishments would go a tremendously long way towards cleaning up crime on the streets.


But that's mean and uncaring as far as liberals are concerned. What about the criminal's rights?

My thought is, they gave them up when they decided to be criminals.

[Restola]

There is one consolation prize here.

Making anything illegal in America opens a vast black-market. Worst case scenario, we can buy our guns like the criminals do :/

[Jack Napier]

I don't believe the prison system works. It costs too much money to build and maintain prisons. We should be focusing on investing in education. I think we should increase the punishments involved with crime. Eye for an eye system like they have in India. You steal, your hand gets cutt off, you rape, you get casterated ect ect.If we educate the children and show them what happens with video tapes when you break the law, crime will definetly go down. Seems logical to me.

[joeyjoe367]

Originally posted by halB
first off, hitler was elected by a democratic process, and therefore cant be compared to our president if he tried to ban guns.

Excuse me? I'm sorry, but I think I hear the resounding echo of Ignorance. How was our President NOT elected by democratic process? If I remember correctly, Our preveous election was the Epitome of the democratic process. Wasn't Bush ahead by such a small amount, that our Internet-Inventing buddy demanded a recount, which was perfectly standard?

Gee, and he didn't ask for recounts on those districts he had already had the advantage, huh? Gee?

Machines don't have a political Bias. People do.

Jack, I also believe that our prison system does not work. Here in Washington, A new prison opened up a while ago, and people were allowed to tour the damn thing and spend the night if they so liked.

I saw footage from our television, and I can tell you, it was a FREEKING HOTEL.

People should be scared ****LESS to go to jail. It's simply not the case here in the United States. I Say that when you commit a felony, YOU have surrendered your rights because you have MOST LIKELY encroached on another person's rights. The fact that you had to be arrested and put through our legal system means that it's pulling money out of MY WALLET Through tax dollars that it costs to build and maintain prisons, not to mention our entire legal system.

Speaking of Criminal's rights, if one EVER enters my home, and I have to defend myself, That person, WHATEVER Gender, or age, I Will kill. The way our legal system works, it'll just come and bite me in the *** if i just wound the bastard. I'd rather do society a favor and put this guy away forever than to lose to a scumbag like this in court.

[joeyjoe367]

Originally posted by Jack Napier
I don't believe the prison system works. It costs too much money to build and maintain prisons. We should be focusing on investing in education. I think we should increase the punishments involved with crime. Eye for an eye system like they have in India. You steal, your hand gets cutt off, you rape, you get casterated ect ect.If we educate the children and show them what happens with video tapes when you break the law, crime will definetly go down. Seems logical to me.

It's always been my suggestion that we should just have government funded "Accidents"

oh Whoops, 200 criminals, the scum of the earth, died because of accidental arsenic poisoning in the food delivered to the prison.

Darn.

[Hexis]

[nic m85]

i just love it when liberals point to places like the UK and say that the number of murders by guns is so low becasuse they dont have guns.

DID YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE UK IS #1 IN THE WORLD IN STABBINGS AND POISONINGS??????

Oh my, seems to me that people are going to kill people regardless of whether or not they have guns. All gun control laws do is infringe on law abiding citizens rights.

Were there murders before guns? hell yes. look at the bible. Liberals just need a scapegoat to blame the worlds problems on. Remember guys, when you're a liberal nothing is ever your fault, there is always someone or something else to balme.

As for me, i'm a 17 year old who believes that whats mine is mine. I was brought up in a house where I was SPANKED when I did something wrong. I take responsibility for my own actions. I don't put the blame on someone else. I dont think I should be punished because of the actions of a few morons out there. When a criminal commits a crime and infringes on someone elses rights, they inturn surrender their rights. Guns dont kill people, neither does tv or music or movies. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

[shartley]

Originally posted by nic m85
i just love it when liberals point to places like the UK and say that the number of murders by guns is so low becasuse they dont have guns.

DID YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE UK IS #1 IN THE WORLD IN STABBINGS AND POISONINGS??????

Oh my, seems to me that people are going to kill people regardless of whether or not they have guns. All gun control laws do is infringe on law abiding citizens rights.

Were there murders before guns? hell yes. look at the bible. Liberals just need a scapegoat to blame the worlds problems on. Remember guys, when you're a liberal nothing is ever your fault, there is always someone or something else to balme.

As for me, i'm a 17 year old who believes that whats mine is mine. I was brought up in a house where I was SPANKED when I did something wrong. I take responsibility for my own actions. I don't put the blame on someone else. I dont think I should be punished because of the actions of a few morons out there. When a criminal commits a crime and infringes on someone elses rights, they inturn surrender their rights. Guns dont kill people, neither does tv or music or movies. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

You are allowed to date my middle daughter. (that is if you can continue to keep your nose clean... )

[pbstu]

you people make me sick. every single other forum i read, which is 4 or 5, is praisig this movie as the greatest thing since sliced bread. i come here, and its being bashed, i think i saw 2 or 3 positive comments while reading through all of those posts. as Hexis said, the US has a culture of fear. is it just that none of you have an open mind for these things?, how many of you have actually seen the movie? its times like these im glad i live in canada. im so disgusted right now, ill add more later when i can think straight.


stu.

[Hexis]

heh pbstu, one of my first thoughts after the movie was "maybe I should move to Canada..."

While I'm not sure that the movie was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I turly appreciate anything that makes me think about an issue from a different side. This movie accomplished that.

I am pretty sickened by the general closed mindedness here. But then again, that's a pretty natural conserative trait.

[Curly]

I agree that a lot of these people seem very closed minded about these issues. I have not seen this movie yet (havent had any time) but i will in the next few days. I do believe that from what i have heard Michael Moore makes some very good points.

I do not think he ever states that guns should be banned. INSTEAD, he focuses on ideas that would allow all of you to own your guns but still regulate certain things. IE at this moment in time if a person buys a gun they are not put on a list of gun owners and it is illegal to track bullets to guns that were bought. Tracking these things would end up in much quicker solvings of murder cases. I do not see how any of you gun owning people would find this wrong. If you feel that you can safely own guns and not use them in the wrong manner then you should never have to worry about being on said list.

But say your wife/girlfriend/kid were to be shot and killed. Would you want the police to be able to track the suspect from the bullets and catch them? Or would you rather let the suspect get away or have better chances of getting away because the police couldnt track the bullets? Personally i would rather have the latter.

I am not anti-gun at all and i enjoy target shooting with pistols and rifles. But i do think that there could definitely be some stricter laws, and if we have these laws they should in no way affect any law abiding gun owner.

On another note if you read michael moore's book "stupid white men" you will notice that George Bush was not in fact elected president by the people of the US. Please dont flame me about this if you have not read the book and/or have not researched this at all.

[pbstu]

exactly, i think there is definitaly a medium that needs to be accomplished when it comes to guns. i dont think total bans are the anwser, look what it did to australia. and Hexis, theres lots of room up here, i encourage you to make the trip. i couldnt even begin to imagine the time i would have living in US, or going to school. i think high school is bad here, i would probabaly go crazy going to school or living in the US.


stu.

[shartley]