...EVERYONE should see this.

[Hexis]

Originally posted by nic m85
As for me, i'm a 17 year old

Restola
Oh and I dont have an open mind when it comes to the liberal view of the world.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Hexis

[Curly]

Shartley I was not talking about you. I feel that many other people here are being close minded. By saying Michael Moore is a shmuck. Just because he voices an opinion or idea. I give you every right to have a different opinion or idea. But i do not think it is ok for people to insult him because he has different ideas.

I also think that a lot of people are too eager to jump on the "liberal bashing" bandwagon. From what it sounds like to me people here think of liberal as anyone who is not a right wing conservative and i find this a very skewed idea.

I have no disrespect for people here. But i do think we have to remember where we are. AO is supposed to be a very nice excepting place. IT seems like lately a lot of people have been flaming others and this disapoints me. We arnt turning into PBN but i still dont like it very much. This is just my opinion. If you dont agree thats fine.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Curly
Shartley I was not talking about you. I feel that many other people here are being close minded. By saying Michael Moore is a shmuck. Just because he voices an opinion or idea. I give you every right to have a different opinion or idea. But i do not think it is ok for people to insult him because he has different ideas.

I also think that a lot of people are too eager to jump on the "liberal bashing" bandwagon. From what it sounds like to me people here think of liberal as anyone who is not a right wing conservative and i find this a very skewed idea.

I have no disrespect for people here. But i do think we have to remember where we are. AO is supposed to be a very nice excepting place. IT seems like lately a lot of people have been flaming others and this disapoints me. We arnt turning into PBN but i still dont like it very much. This is just my opinion. If you dont agree thats fine.

I have no problem with what you just posted.

[Curly]

Thank you SHartley i appreciate the response. :)

[pbstu]

ya, shartley as far as being open minded i dont think your the problem, as curly said its a lot of the other people on here who basically came and bashed micheal moore for the wrong reasons and have not responded since. I think what the movie was trying to say is that its not the guns but it is the US's culture that is propagating itself through guns. look at us here in canada, our gun legislation, which according to you is not the anwser (right?), has helped a great deal in my opinion, i dont actually know any statsitics, but i can only remember 2 or 3 gun related crimes where someone was actually hurt since new years.



stu.

[shartley]

Originally posted by pbstu
ya, shartley as far as being open minded i dont think your the problem, as curly said its a lot of the other people on here who basically came and bashed micheal moore for the wrong reasons and have not responded since. I think what the movie was trying to say is that its not the guns but it is the US's culture that is propagating itself through guns. look at us here in canada, our gun legislation, which according to you is not the anwser (right?), has helped a great deal in my opinion, i dont actually know any statsitics, but i can only remember 2 or 3 gun related crimes where someone was actually hurt since new years.



stu.

[pbstu]

Those who argue using Canada as a reference also admit that there are cultural differences between the two countries.

that was my point, as i said i believe the movie is not pointing at guns but pointing at the underlying culture which is using guns as a means of expressing itself (not literally of course). i didnt make it that clear in my last post but i was trying to make the point that its the differences in the cultures that shows the differences in the gun problem, which of course points at the culture as the driving problem. and that was the movies main point, that its more a cultural problem, as Hexis said, a culture of fear.



stu.

[Curly]

shartly what you are saying does make a lot of sense and i agree with you on a lot of issues. Enforcing laws is one the major problems.

But the issue i was talking about earlier is not so much a new law. The problem is that there is a law in place that makes it ILLEGAL for police agencys to track cartridges to certain gun manufacturers and people that bought these weapons. I do understand that a lot of guns used in criminal activities were not obtained legally. But there are definietly ones that were bought legally.

I dont think that law enforcement should use this technology on every case, but i dont think it makes sense to not be able to try and track guns. Maybe it wont solve the case, but i dont see how it could hurt. I also dont understand why people do not want to register guns or be on a list as a gun owner. Maybe i am being ignorant here but i only see how this could benifit us. If you are a law abiding gun owner then you have no reason to worry.

You made the point earlier that I (or whoever you were refering too) "sit back as a teenager who has not even been out in the real world (no matter how much you think you know about it) and pass such harsh judgment on those of us who have."

The thing is that you are absolutley right, i am 17 years old and i obviously have not experienced nearly as much as you have in this subject area. I am just trying to offer ideas and understand what about the topic. I respect your being civil and level headed about this issue while others are very immature and cannot discuss things civily.

-Jeremy