Gun Distributor found partaily liable but not the kid who pulled the trigger!

[cphilip]

Umm....whats up with this? Everyone liable but the kid who steals the gun and kills his Teacher?

http://www.click10.com/mia/news/stories/news-178688020021114-161135.html

[shartley]

What a crock! How stupid are people getting these days?

This should be posted every time people want to state how "smart" they think people are.....

I will not post any more.... it is too easy to break the rules on this one....

[spazzed]

Uhhh..... What the crap?

How stupid can you be? Did Valor pull the trigger? Did they make the gun for the sole purpose of killing that guy?

I just don't understand people. Common sense people. Learn it. Love it. USE IT!

[cphilip]

Well this whole subject is risky but lets see how mature we can be...

If you read it all carefully I think you will find they found the "Distributor" lable for not providing a trigger lock. In spite of the fact there was no requirement to do so. Thereby the argument is that it is distributing a product that had potential to harm and that could reaonably have been avoided. Now there is no telling if even if it was distributed with one it would have been used. Not a legality issue here but a product lability issue...

And...in this case I think its obvious that the Jury was not looking for actual true liability but looking for excuses to lay liability on those who could pay. The killer cannot pay. In their obvious compassion for the Widow and her family they looked for sourses of money, not blame. Missguided but apears to be true here. Things like this rarely make it out as an actual award and this is already in appeal.

[shartley]

[oldsoldier]

thats why people need to VOTE! What kind of a world is this when we can now legally place the blame for a heinous crime on a company that had nothing to do with it? I would REALLY like to know what type of firearm it was...guaranteed it wasnt a "saturday night special", which, by the way, went out with disco. BAH!!!!!

[shartley]

On Monday, jurors watched a videotape of Brazill admitting that he loaded a .25 caliber handgun that he took from his grandfather's cookie tin.

And I find this funny, in a way,..Posted: 4:19 p.m. EDT October 7, 2002

PALM BEACH COUNTY, Fla. -- A second trial related to the murder of Lake Worth teacher Barry Grunow started Monday.

In the first trial, Nathaniel Brazill was sentenced to 28 years in prison for gunning down his teacher. The second trial will consider a case against the gun used to kill Grunow.

The attorney for Pam Grunow, Barry Grunow's widow, said, "This is not a case against Nathaniel Brazill. It is not a case against all guns on the market. This is a case against Saturday night specials."

Attorney Bob Montgomery says the suit targets the .25-caliber Raven handgun used by Brazill. Montgomery said the gun's distributor should have known that the gun was poorly built, unreliable, easily concealed and often misused. He said that the gun is "used much of the time for criminal activity -- by juveniles - for killings. [It] should not be on the market."

Similar lawsuits have been unsuccessful, including ones from cities that have sued manufacturers.

In this case, the distributor is being sued. The manufacturer went out of business 11 years ago.

The lawsuit says the distributor, Valor, was negligent because of poor design and lack of safety features such as a lock.

Montgomery said, "There were safety features they ignored, did not put in place as they should have."

But John Renzulli, Valor's attorney, says it's unfair to blame a distributor who is just the "middle man."

Valor blames a Brazill family friend who left the gun unsecured and Brazill himself. "There was no defect," Renzulli said. "This was a tragic accident that unfortunately happened. The person at fault was convicted and is now in prison."

Brazill may be called to testify, as well as Pam Grunow (pictured, above left). She says the Saturday night special should have been less dangerous and secured with a safety lock.

What a bunch of BS. But that answers why the Manufacturer was not sued.

[Miscue]

That's what happens when you pool people from the general public. /me raises eyebrow to the "guarantee to be tried by your peers" thing that the govt offers... the general public offers a pool of less than impressive "peers."

[The Frymarker]

It just shows that in this day and age you can sue for just about everything.


When it comes to making a quick buck people turn very outlandish.

The gun manufacturer should definitely not be at fault, gun locks are to be bought by the owner of the gun, which if I read correctly was his own grandfather, in other posts a friend of the family.

At the age of 16 you are considered in some states as an adult. He obviously knew how to load and fire it, so in all actuality he should be the one to blame.


People are very money hungry these days, infact I have inlaws who have spent their lifetimes sueing for every little incident instead of getting off of their lazy rears and getting a job.

It is a blatant misuse of the justice system and it costs taxpayers (people who have jobs) hard earned money.

[joeyjoe367]

Wow. That is really dumb. Guns don't Kill People, People kill people.

Blaming the gun distributer/manufacturer for this is just plain sleezy. They're just trying to milk 'em for money. Sickening that these people will take the death of a loved one, and turn it into a means of stealing money from these people.

absolutly sickening what people will do in lawsuits these days.

THOSE people should just be drug out into the street and shot.

[1stdeadeye]

Stupid!

Juries are made up of 12 people who were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. You want common sense from them?

Thank God for the appeals process. I'm willing to bet the poor widow will never see a dime from the distributor.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367

THOSE people should just be drug out into the street and shot.

Not really a good thought considering this thread, eh?

I am offended. Guess I am gonna have to sue you now!!

[dansim]

yeah well be offended all you want im gonna <b>STEAL</b> a gun from my grand pappy and <b>SHOOT</b> you until you are dead in other words i will <b>MURDER</b> you and then blame someone else...perhaps eminem

this is a butt load of grade a crap

[Gotenks]

this reminds me of another incident, you might remember it.

A theif was trying to break into some peoples house. There was a glass skylight, and he stood on it, it broke and he fell into the house and broke his leg.

He sued the homeowners, and won, absolute BULL****.

[yeahthatsme]

just goes to show how some people are plain stupid.