I now have my very own Barcode!

[SirLloydAlexander]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
EDIT: Also, if you look at the revised charts and forcasts released by the Congressional Budget Office that were released on Dec 4, even if the tax provisions and the existing appropriations were limited to increasing at the rate of inflation, the non Social Security surplus will go from the official "10 year $1 trillion surplus" (which is still an official deficit of $1.5 trillion) to a deficit of $156 billion and a revised official deficit of $2.7 trillion.

Well, living in Arizona, I usually am a week if not a month behind. They dont sell Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, not even the Los Angeles Times. I get all my news from sproadic tuning into CNN (Josh Molina is now a regular on The West Wing...yeah, that just scrolled by the bottom of the screen), Washingtonpost.com and newyorktimes.com

Another thing that I just realised. Private Schools benefit from Alumni donations. Being able to choose who is admitted and who is not gives the private school a bargaining chip, and rich parents with stupid kids will spend a lot of money beyond what is required of them to get their kids in. That is why public schools are called such. Public. Everyone gets in.

Also, we may also touch on religious based schools. These include Mater Dei (catholic), Tarbut V'Torah (jewish) and all other schools that descriminate in hiring practices based on religion. The government, according the the constituion as interpreted by the Supreme Court, may not in any way fund or give money to institutions that discriminate based on religious affiliation. I'll add that President Bush has signed executive orders that weaken the supreme court rulings. Abuse of power at it's best. Enjoy the article if you want more details. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Dec12.html

Im tired. I just took a final on politics. Anyone care to discuss political theory, Im open for it.

[Xerces]

post is too liberal.

washington times.

[SirLloydAlexander]

thats why I have a healthy selection 4 daily newspapers. plus the drudge report in case theres anything I missed.

[Trigger_Happy]

Another thing that I just realised. Private Schools benefit from Alumni donations. Being able to choose who is admitted and who is not gives the private school a bargaining chip, and rich parents with stupid kids will spend a lot of money beyond what is required of them to get their kids in. That is why public schools are called such. Public. Everyone gets in.

I understand that private schools would become a lot less "private" feeling if public schools were shut down in favor of them, but then the school system would run like the colleges do. The rich could still get a "better" education using dirty tactics, but anything above the money that is "given back" (and by that I mean "not taken in the first place") by the Govt. comes out of the rich snob's own bank account. Thus, the bribe is not supported by the Govt./can't be stopped. Some private schools would get good reputations, and others would not do so well. That is how colleges are esablished. Say...the diference between MIT and "High-Tech Institute".

I did not say that the Govt. should fund privates schools, only to stop taking the money in the first place and let the family spend it on the private school they choose.

I am convinced that everybody has a religion. Religion is something you live for that affects the way you view all aspects of the world around you. Money, power, people, possesions, etc. can all become religions to thier followers.

Also, groups that might not be though "religious" by the public, are truly religions. Secular humanism is one such religion. Humanists, themselves, are adament that they are a religion, and statements made by the supreme court have declared secular humanism a religion. Marxism is also a religion to it's followers. To deny funds from certain, well known religions is wrong. Bush understands this.

The boyscouts of America were recently involved in a suit. The suit whined about the BSA (a private, homosexual-rejecting organization) being allowed to use public land (public schools) to meet on. The BSA came out of it on top due to this fact: If the boyscouts were to get banned from using the facilities, everyone would. There is no middle ground. Either something is entirely private, or is completely public. The courts agreed.

Quite honestly, there are many public organizations that receive money from the Govt. that discriminate based on religious affiliation! I don't whine. They have a right to do what they do! But to tell me that I don't have a right gives me cause for whining!

I dare you to deny this: The fact is, that todays culture is not anti-religion, it is anti-christian.

In today's culture, to discriminate against a group of Muslims, homosexuals, etc. is "intolerance". Yet to discriminate against a group of Judeo Christians is encouraged!

I wonder how much free speech is allowed on this forum....this may or may not get shut down. I hear that there is a rule against crazy religious nuts like me to talk about such radical, extremist things as "God" on these forums Anyway, if this thread does get laid to rest, and you still want to talk, you should PM or e-mail me!

[SirLloydAlexander]

I'll rebute as best I can, having just woken up.

The difference is that not everyone s guaranteed a college education. Where I lived, there were 4 private schools that one could go to within the county (orange county), and 4 public in the city (irvine). If someone wanted to go to one of these private schools, they would need a lot of money. Trust me, I looked into it. Tuition was around 10,000 dollars. Plus books, school uniforms, and transportation (the closest one was about 6 miles, the furthest about 25 miles). That is of course assuming you get accepted. Because private schools can only accept a certain number of people, the large percentage of people who would not get accepted to private schools would be forced, out of no other option, to go to public schools. These public schools would then be absolutely desolate of funds after taking away a large amount of money to fund the school voucher program.

As for religion, dont be such a victim. Especially to me. I need to remind you that there is such a thing as the seperation of church and state. To deny funds to certain well known religions is required by the constitution.

Watch this: Today's society is one victimhood. Everybody claims to be a victim, it's never their own fault. You're just claiming to be a victim of the constitution. The majority of this nation is christian, in some manner or other. Dont tell me you're victimized. Discrimination in any sense is called "intolerance". And dont ever say that being intolerant of a jew is the same as being intolerant of a christian. It isnt. And you g-ddamn better well know that.

[ShooterJM]

Well. Skipping the developing religious argument that will get this thread closed, the crux of the question is this.

Do private schools do better simply because they have more money then public schools, or because they make better use of the money they recieve?


If the amount of money is the issue, then simply putting more money per student into the public system should close the gap. If it's how it's used, then fiscal responsibility is the issue.

Of course, it could just be the private schools are largely a self-selecting sample....


Edited to clarify.

[Xerces]

private schools are seen as doing better than public schools not ebcause of money. it is that because you pay for it out of your pocket, they are allowed to be much more strict, and don't have to be as PC as the public schools. some would argue that because they are strict and in some senses, confining, it creates a better learning environment with less distraction.

[bowser************]

yo what do they do if they thinks its fake espo?

and with all these figures flying, i thought i might put in some of my own; a recent study showed that almost 60% of all americans are overweight. But, that 60% makes up 9/10ths of all americans.

what now, eh

[EsPo]

Originally posted by bowser************
little barcode reader things

they use that thing...

[SirLloydAlexander]

Originally posted by bowser************
and with all these figures flying, i thought i might put in some of my own; a recent study showed that almost 60% of all americans are overweight. But, that 60% makes up 9/10ths of all americans.

60% is 6/10ths...not 9...

[Trigger_Happy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SirLloydAlexander
I'll rebute as best I can, having just woken up.

The difference is that not everyone s guaranteed a college education. Where I lived, there were 4 private schools that one could go to within the county (orange county), and 4 public in the city (irvine). If someone wanted to go to one of these private schools, they would need a lot of money. Trust me, I looked into it. Tuition was around 10,000 dollars. Plus books, school uniforms, and transportation (the closest one was about 6 miles, the furthest about 25 miles). That is of course assuming you get accepted. Because private schools can only accept a certain number of people, the large percentage of people who would not get accepted to private schools would be forced, out of no other option, to go to public schools. These public schools would then be absolutely desolate of funds after taking away a large amount of money to fund the school voucher program.

I don't think that they should take "a large amount of money to fund the school voucher program". I think that they should take ALL the money away untill there IS NO PUBLIC school. I don't think that you people understand my vision. I think that maybet the public schools should be GONE, DONE WITH, NO MORE, BYE BYE. The Govt. would then stop taking peoples' $8,000 a year that WOULD HAVE BEEN used to fund these, now dead, public schools. Since millions of people would suddenly be holding a WHOLE lot of money, and needing to spend it on schooling, many people would start new private schools. The end effect would be the privitazation of schooling. The competition created by doing this would drastically increase the quality of schooling in all schools as each school strives to gain business. People WOULD be able to afford it (just as they can afford to pay for public schooling now). People WOULD be able to get accepted in to one of the GROWING NUMBER of new private schools. Do you NOW understand what my vision is?

As for religion, dont be such a victim. Especially to me. I need to remind you that there is such a thing as the seperation of church and state. To deny funds to certain well known religions is required by the constitution.[/B]

"Separtaion of Church and State" is a concept introduced by Thomas Jefferson into the public areana. It is NOT written about in the constitution. The myth that it is, is now quite common, as people are uneducated about what the constituion actually states. Shall I send you a copy of the constitution, SirLloydAlexander?

Watch this: Today's society is one victimhood. Everybody claims to be a victim, it's never their own fault. You're just claiming to be a victim of the constitution. The majority of this nation is christian, in some manner or other. Dont tell me you're victimized. Discrimination in any sense is called "intolerance". And dont ever say that being intolerant of a jew is the same as being intolerant of a christian. It isnt. And you g-ddamn better well know that. [/B]

HAHAHAHAHA! How true this is! Everybody wants to be the victim today! However, you have proved my point entirely! I had said:

"I dare you to deny this: The fact is, that todays culture is not anti-religion, it is anti-christian.

In today's culture, to discriminate against a group of Muslims, homosexuals, etc. is "intolerance". Yet to discriminate against a group of Judeo Christians is encouraged!"

You then went on to say:

"And dont ever say that being intolerant of a jew is the same as being intolerant of a christian. It isnt."

You, too, agree that Chritains do not deserve to be tolerated, while a group like the Jews should be allowed to call "Intolerant" anyone who might stand I their way!

You must understand that I love the Jews! I would not dream of disrespecting anyone of the Jewish faith! I simply don't understand why Christians aren't treated with the same courtesy!

[Trigger_Happy]

Originally posted by halB
and trigger happy, are you seriously expecting elementary school kids to rebel against something?

Hmmmmmmmm..........The more I think about this, the more I like it. I'll go check www.bayonets.com to how much it would cost to equip the nation's youngsters