The nature of war

[shartley]

Originally posted by Vendetta
Why was Hiroshima justified? Because they were not blond and blue eyed? But acts were not justified. Hirshima had very little military value.

[Vendetta]

But I do think racism had a lot to do with the nuclear bomings. Remember that American citizens of this race were put into concentration camps in this country. I fear that it may happen again if when we have more acts of terroism on our shores.

[aaron_mag]

The problem with this question is that it puts us in the role of armchair generals. We might as well go back and argue whether Sherman's march to the sea was justified.

Even if the losses would have been minimal to invade Japan (which probably wasn't the case) who here would volunteer to be part of the "minimal" casulties when there was a way to end it with even less casulties? Probably won't be many volunteers....

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Vendetta
But I do think racism had a lot to do with the nuclear bomings. Remember that American citizens of this race were put into concentration camps in this country. I fear that it may happen again if when we have more acts of terroism on our shores.

Yes that is true. The Japanese-American battalion, however, went on to become the most decorated battalion of WWII. They even were sent to rescue another battalion (I believe they were Texas Rangers) and lost more troops than they saved! I remember seeing a show once where one of the members of the battalion got thrown out of a barber shop because he was Japanese. Nevermind that he was missing an arm from the war...

[Sooky]

US Air Force!!

Oops!:o Sorry, got ahead of myself there! Hehe...

[shartley]

Originally posted by Vendetta
But I do think racism had a lot to do with the nuclear bomings. Remember that American citizens of this race were put into concentration camps in this country. I fear that it may happen again if when we have more acts of terroism on our shores.

[hitech]

Originally posted by shartley
And it is because of the internment camps for Japanese Americans that it will NEVER happen again in the US...

I hope your are right. After 9/11 I heard WAY to many otherwise rational people calling for them again.

[shartley]

Originally posted by hitech


I hope your are right. After 9/11 I heard WAY to many otherwise rational people calling for them again.

Were these otherwise rational people part of the government? Because the last time I knew, private citizens can say anything they want, but it will not magically make internment camps happen.

[slateman]

Originally posted by Vendetta
Why was Hiroshima justified? Because they were not blond and blue eyed? But acts were not justified. Hirshima had very little military value.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki(sp?) were justified. The Japanese were extremly stubborn. They refused to surrender at any time. They fought to the death, usually inflicting heavy casualties on U.S. Servicemen. And the next step in the Pacific Campaign was to invade Japan. How hard do you think they would have fought if we invaded their homes? THey were expecting 90% casualties in the first wave. Exactly how would President Truman tell the American people that 90% of the first wave was wounded or killed when he could have ended the war with zero American casualties?
Your line "blond and blue eyed" suggests that we didn't use it on Germany because of race issues. Not true. By the time we had the A-Bomb Germany was pretty much done.

President Truman made the correct call with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Vendetta]

Also the United States was a much different place back in that time period. And it is because of the internment camps for Japanese Americans that it will NEVER happen again in the US. We have proven this with post 9/11 actions by the US Government and the majority of our citizens.

We are not there yet, but NEVER is a long time.

Today is the last day for immigrants from 13 Arab countries to "register" with the INS. Many of these immigrants are being arrested on the spot and deported even though they are in the process of getting their green cards.


To get back on topic. The willful killing of innocents is not justifiable. The military knows this. That is why the military has developed and uses smart bombs whenever the possibility of civilian casualties arises. Of course accidents happen. This accidents are horrible, but accidents non the less. So the loss of these innocents is justifiable if the war is just. That is a whole other topic.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Vendetta
Today is the last day for immigrants from 13 Arab countries to "register" with the INS. Many of these immigrants are being arrested on the spot and deported even though they are in the process of getting their green cards.

[Vendetta]

Ok, all of us that are not 100% Native American let go back to are repective countries.

Your anti-immagrant statement have made me very angry, so I think we should drop the subject.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Vendetta
Ok, all of us that are not 100% Native American let go back to are repective countries.

Your anti-immagrant statement have made me very angry, so I think we should drop the subject.

[aaron_mag]

Don't say that immigration officials aren't overzealous at times. We had a case here in the northwest involving a high school girl that happened to be born in Canada. She was in Canada for all of two weeks. Immigration told her if she traveled with her rugby team out of the US they wouldn't let her back in! We are talking someone who was raised here! Eventually everything got worked out but reading the story in the paper was enough to make you severely distrust immigration. The scary thing was the Canucks were ready and willing to make her a citizen. Fools wanted to steal one of our star scholar/athletes

[shartley]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Don't say that immigration officials aren't overzealous at times. We had a case here in the northwest involving a high school girl that happened to be born in Canada. She was in Canada for all of two weeks. Immigration told her if she traveled with her rugby team out of the US they wouldn't let her back in! We are talking someone who was raised here! Eventually everything got worked out but reading the story in the paper was enough to make you severely distrust immigration. The scary thing was the Canucks were ready and willing to make her a citizen. Fools wanted to steal one of our star scholar/athletes