Ungodly high gas prices

[tobz]

my two cents

I would just like to add that you should make sure your vehicle will benefit from premium. Often times it is actually worse for your vehicle. Most higher quality gas stations are still competitive. Around the suburbs of Twin Cities, MN, the ranges are 87 octane regular, 90 octane mid.grade, and 93 octane premium, 110 octane racing gas. Other than the "racing gas" which is about $3/gallon, the prices are split by about 7/cents/gallon.

It's funny though, that the numbers should stay proportional. When the prices go way up, they start splitting them by 8-10cents a gallon per grade, and when they go down, it will only be a 5cent per grade difference..... ??? Sounds fishy.

Oh yeah, I didn't read the entire thread, but in Europe they have this thing called light rail. If I were in Europe, I'd keep gas prices way up to! Not too mention uncontrolled intersections over there everywhere.

Just my 2 cents.

tobz

p.s. If you pay attention, the gas prices go up for the weekends, and 21cents/day isn't very nice, it may also be illegal. If you fill up for the weekend by thursday, you can usually avoid the jump, but the prices usually come back down on sunday. Thanks for reading my post, if you want to donate gas money send me $ via paypal at: [email protected] Everyone will be paid back some day....

[Havoc_online]

Actually my Durango gets pretty decent gas milage(about 500 miles to the tank) but I need better. I live in Tx a state that takes almost a full day to cross, I make a good ways trip across a big chunk of it in different directions for different reasons once or twice per month. The cost is pretty high.

I do agree with you Sam but as per personal preference, I've just always been in love with high end american cars/trucks but am just starting to think that they are too expensive to own.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by shartley

Point taken, but alot of European countries get oil from the middle east. Why do you think they are opposed to us attacking Iraq? They have vested interests in oil. And yes, I am right, I know people who have been to europe, and environmental reasons are a part of the high prices. And I never said they didn't care about their environment, I said they take better care of it than we do. I don't know about Canada's prices, but they are WAY cleaner than the US.

*EDIT* Oh, the US relies too heavily on foreign oil, that's probably why we are attacking Iraq. People have debated drilling in Alaska for oil, because we cannot produce enough to meet demand. I've done my research.

[Vendetta]

Who exactly are you taking about?

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Vendetta


Who exactly are you taking about?

Europe

[Smoke]

Found this on a website.

In the UK, where the gas market was liberalised in the early 1990s, prices last year rose around 20 percent largely because of a climate change levy introduced by the government to help curb geenhouse gas emissions, said NUS.


Boo-ya.

[tobz]

Another thing....

...to factor in is that for a while companies were going to list mileages per passenger as well. Seems a lot of eco activists are torching SUV's all of a sudden...? You can get a SUV that seats 7 and has a V6 or V8, but when they have a little honda that seats two, but gets 30mpg, they are the jackasses polluting us...

Think, if you get 15-20mpg but can hold 7 people, that's like saying you get 105-140 Miles Per people Gallon (depending on how many carpool)

Meanwhile, the smaller cars that get 30 but only holds 2-4 people, you're looking at 60-120miles per people gallon. So, why is everyone complaining? Yes a lot of people that have SUV's don't carpool, but that fact should be irrelavent because a lot of people get their own "fuel efficient car" so THEY don't have to carpool.

The SUV's in essence, have a better potential of being more fuel efficient. Not too mention they are coming out with suv hybrids within a few years. It's just like saying, I'm going to help the environment and take a bus, busses run usually on diesel, and get POOR mileage, but they hold like 3892475 people so it works out. Just cause they might get less than 10mpg doesn't mean their gas hogs and not helping the environment.

Just my two cents.

tobz

[Vendetta]

Europe absolutely cares more about the environment than we do. Britan was the first country to industrialize and the felt the effects on their environment. The US is so large, that when we fouled an area, we'd just pack up and move somewhere else. I think we are changing, but not fast enough I fear. How many years have we been hearing from our leaders that humans don't effect the climate? Now they are saying we do, but we should just adapt to the change.

[Vendetta]

Tobz you two cents don't add up. It would be great if all those SUVs were full of people carpooling to work, but they are not. Look on the roads, the vast majority are carring ONE person to work and back.

[shartley]

[Smoke]

Germany is pursuing several ambitious objectives in its energy policy, notably cutting greenhouse gas emissions and fully liberalising the electricity and gas markets, while phasing out nuclear power. The government has offered no prescription as to how nuclear power might be replaced, preferring to place reliance on the market to find solutions. By contrast, continuing subsidies to the coal industry are justified by reference to long term energy security needs, in conflict with a market-based approach.

Germany has achieved dramatic reductions in its greenhouse gas emissions over the past decade and accounts for a major part of the reductions needed to reach the EU targets for the period of 2008-2012. Measures used include minimum feed-in tariffs for renewables and co-generation, the "eco-tax" and regulation to encourage energy efficiency. The potential benefits of these policies are counterbalanced by the burden they put on taxpayers and consumers. Their application should be made flexible and should be adapted to market circumstances.

Germany was one of the first IEA countries to liberalise its electricity and gas markets. Competition has developed, particularly in the electricity market. But new entrants have experienced access problems and electricity network access tariffs remain high and dispersed. The report proposes measures to further reinforce competition.

http://www.iea.org/public/reviews/2002/germany.htm

You are not always right, shartly, other people can be smart too. Oh, and as for the Iraq thing, I thought it was "hog wash" too for a loooooong time. But recently, I've been wondering why we are going to war. The U.N. really hasn't found much, and Bush keeps talking about some "smoking gun". I thought and thought about "why are we doing this?". Because I'm 19. If we start having soldiers nuked or irradtiated, they're gonna start drafting again. That scares me because I'm the right age. Like I said, I do know a thing or 2, so don't insult my intelligence. Europe IS more environmentally aware than we are. Let's see....you talked about them crapping on their land. Hmmm...who invented the car? The Britts? Who mass produced while other countries were still using horse and buggy? Who burns natural resources like there's no tommorrow?
Once again, Boo-ya.

*EDIT* All right, I take back the "boo-ya". It's just I get reeeeally into debates, and when I know I'm right, there's no stopping me! LOL!

[Vendetta]

Germany is part of "Old Europe" it doesn't count anymore.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Vendetta
Germany is part of "Old Europe" it doesn't count anymore.

LOL!!!

[shartley]

Originally posted by automagfreek
Germany is pursuing several ambitious objectives in its energy policy, notably cutting greenhouse gas emissions and fully liberalising the electricity and gas markets, while phasing out nuclear power. The government has offered no prescription as to how nuclear power might be replaced, preferring to place reliance on the market to find solutions. By contrast, continuing subsidies to the coal industry are justified by reference to long term energy security needs, in conflict with a market-based approach.

Germany has achieved dramatic reductions in its greenhouse gas emissions over the past decade and accounts for a major part of the reductions needed to reach the EU targets for the period of 2008-2012. Measures used include minimum feed-in tariffs for renewables and co-generation, the "eco-tax" and regulation to encourage energy efficiency. The potential benefits of these policies are counterbalanced by the burden they put on taxpayers and consumers. Their application should be made flexible and should be adapted to market circumstances.

Germany was one of the first IEA countries to liberalise its electricity and gas markets. Competition has developed, particularly in the electricity market. But new entrants have experienced access problems and electricity network access tariffs remain high and dispersed. The report proposes measures to further reinforce competition.

http://www.iea.org/public/reviews/2002/germany.htm

You are not always right, shartly, other people can be smart too. Oh, and as for the Iraq thing, I thought it was "hog wash" too for a loooooong time. But recently, I've been wondering why we are going to war. The U.N. really hasn't found much, and Bush keeps talking about some "smoking gun". I thought and thought about "why are we doing this?". Because I'm 19. If we start having soldiers nuked or irradtiated, they're gonna start drafting again. that scares me because I'm the right age. Like I said, I do know a thing or too, so don't insult my intelligence. Europe IS more environmentally aware than we are. Let's see....you talked about them crapping on their land. Hmmm...who invented the car? The Britts? Who mass produced while other countries were still using horse and buggy? Who burns natural resources like there's no tommorrow?
Once again, Boo-ya.

[shartley]

Originally posted by automagfreek
*EDIT* All right, I take back the "boo-ya". It's just I get reeeeally into debates, and when I know I'm right, there's no stopping me! LOL!