Very Interesting

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

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[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy



Factoflife:
I agree

You do realise it's the USA that's going to Free Iraq right?

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley
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That was in response to you crying BS to my argument. If you would have discussed it without going to the immature level you did in that one post, I wouldn't have said what I did.

You said you have meat a terrorist. What was his/her reason to believe in what he/she believes in. What causes them to grasp onto that idea that is ok for them to blow themselves up for what they believe in (I know that is only one type of terrorist but it is just an example) What is it that happened to them that makes them do what they do?

I don't think you can ever end terrorism, but when I say ending it, I am saying ending it as we know it. There will always be that one person who goes and blows up a building or a bridge or whatever.

Let me ask you this. The US goes into Bosnia to try and help them against the Serbs. Now documents and interviews show that hostility towards the US went up because of the bombings not down on both sides. Why is that?

Terrorism has been around since the beginning of time. How has people tried to lessen its effectiveness (which I will say end it for brevity purposes).

We have Israel who attacks Palestine every single time a terrorist action is taken against them. And what has that done, cause more terror. What is it that makes the Palestinians keep blowing themselves up?

What good does it do to search out the leader of this one terrorist group if you let another grow in power? Another guy will just step up into his place.

What is it that makes these people hate the US so much? What drives them to do what they are doing? Why does terrorism flourish in 3rd world countries?

If you get a good grasp on these questions then you can help to end terrorism.

To Facts, then we will not have a free Iraq.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
That was in response to you crying BS to my argument. If you would have discussed it without going to the immature level you did in that one post, I wouldn't have said what I did.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
You said you have meat a terrorist. What was his/her reason to believe in what he/she believes in. What causes them to grasp onto that idea that is ok for them to blow themselves up for what they believe in (I know that is only one type of terrorist but it is just an example) What is it that happened to them that makes them do what they do?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I don't think you can ever end terrorism, but when I say ending it, I am saying ending it as we know it. There will always be that one person who goes and blows up a building or a bridge or whatever.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Let me ask you this. The US goes into Bosnia to try and help them against the Serbs. Now documents and interviews show that hostility towards the US went up because of the bombings not down on both sides. Why is that?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Terrorism has been around since the beginning of time. How has people tried to lessen its effectiveness (which I will say end it for brevity purposes).

Swift and harsh punishment for terrorism is the way. But too many Americans lack the backbone to do what needs to be done. And that is why terrorism has finally become a part of American life on American soil. It is not because of American actions that caused the attacks on US Soil, it is the thought process and way of thinking of people like you that ALLOWED it to happen.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
We have Israel who attacks Palestine every single time a terrorist action is taken against them. And what has that done, cause more terror. What is it that makes the Palestinians keep blowing themselves up?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
What good does it do to search out the leader of this one terrorist group if you let another grow in power? Another guy will just step up into his place.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
What is it that makes these people hate the US so much? What drives them to do what they are doing? Why does terrorism flourish in 3rd world countries?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If you get a good grasp on these questions then you can help to end terrorism.

To Facts, then we will not have a free Iraq.

[1stdeadeye]

Where to start?

Originally posted by Collegeboy


1stdeadeye.

Again you are making the mistake of comparing terrorism with any war we know of today. With Carthage you had a clean cut enemy, Carthage. With terrorism you don't/ The enemy isn't Iraq, Iran, Canada, so forth. It is that one person with a bomb on him in a corner of a city in the midst of a million of people. Terrorism is a state of mind it is a mental condition. Something pushes them to blow themselves up; something pushes them to do what they do. Solve that and you help to end terrorism.

One man's rebellion is another man's terrorist. How about we use the Jewish Rebel's as an example. The Roman's completely destroyed them. It was not a war, just a group of fanatics.

You can't understand a fanatic. You can only imprison or kill them. Look at Iran now. You have a theocracy holding the entire country hostage. Iran's president and lgislature are trying to improve ties with the west, but the clergy keep overrulling them. When that group dies off or is overthrown, don't be suprised if Iran becomes very pro-west!

Gotta go!

[nippinout]

deadeye, Jebus, isn't it like 70% of the population in Iran under the age of 30? I don't recall the right percantage, but it's HUGE. They are going to move from Axis of Evil to Axis of Friend really soon.

Collegeboy, seems like your big concern is that fighting terrorism will only bring more terrorism.

Well, how about killing or imprisoning their leadership, destroying their infrastructure, freeze their assets, and kill or imprison those we find.

These actions greatly hinder a terrorist group. We now have limited their ability to work as a terrorist group and limited future attacks.

Sure, they might grow back, or a new group will form. But we'll just do the same and destroy their infrastructure, freeze their assets, and kill or imprison them.

Just because new terrorist groups may reform or new ones form does not justify inaction.

Inaction allows these groups to attack.

Rumsfeld has stated that close to 100 attacks on America have been stopped due to the actions of the military, CIA, FBI, state police, county police, local police, banks, and allies.

If we had done nothing, there would have been much more bloodshed for America.

By doing nothing, we allow attacks. Collegeboy, you do not know what the future holds if we attack a terrorist group.

Sometimes war is necessary. You cannot deal with terrorists with logic or conventional diplomacy. You have to use aggressive diplomacy, aka big bombs.

Because you, Collegeboy, fail to accept what is logical to do, we can't debate. We must merely accept that and lecture, educate, and inform you until you see differently.

Have a nice day.

[Jack_Dubious]

Beat that Horse! Beat that Horse!!


JDub

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious
Beat that Horse! Beat that Horse!!


JDub

I'm trying to find a bigger hammer.

[Collegeboy]

Shartley are you reading the same post I am typing. I haven't said the US causes terrorism. I said by attacking, we will create more terrorist.

You all are missing out on the important factor of what creates a terrorist. Of course we can kill any terrorist we come to with a huge bomb dropped on is house. But is that the best way to deal with it, if it will only create two terrorist in his place.

I HAVE NEVER SAID WE SHALL SIT BACK AND NOT DO ANYTHING. I put it in bold for I have typed that like twice and no one has picked up on it.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Shartley are you reading the same post I am typing. I haven't said the US causes terrorism. I said by attacking, we will create more terrorist.

You all are missing out on the important factor of what creates a terrorist. Of course we can kill any terrorist we come to with a huge bomb dropped on is house. But is that the best way to deal with it, if it will only create two terrorist in his place.

I HAVE NEVER SAID WE SHALL SIT BACK AND NOT DO ANYTHING. I put it in bold for I have typed that like twice and no one has picked up on it.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

To Facts, then we will not have a free Iraq.

Bullsquat. It's the ONLY way that Iraq is ever going to be free. The rest of the world has zero interest in having a free and democratic society in that part of the world.

[Collegeboy]

Shartley, I again know my subject matter. How can you stop terrorism? You stop there recruitment, you lessen their new enrollment. You do some of the things Bush is doing. Taken away funding and such. But by declaring a war and dropping bombs you will not do anything. You seem not able to grasp the simplest idea that terrorism is a physiological factor, it is a state of the mind. Something in there mind drives them to do what they do. What is it that makes the people so ready to accept these ideas of hatred? SOMETHING is causing these new recruits to believe what they are being told. IF you can't grasp that simple concept I am sorry.

There is a huge difference form saying the US causes terrorism, and saying if the US would drop bombs more terrorist will be created.

Facts. No if the US goes in, nothing will be solved, a Pro US government will be established. It will be overthrown; a pro terrorist government will be put into power. And the citizens all likelihood will be worse off then they are now, and that is saying something.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Shartley, I again know my subject matter. How can you stop terrorism? You stop there recruitment, you lessen their new enrollment. You do some of the things Bush is doing. Taken away funding and such. But by declaring a war and dropping bombs you will not do anything. You seem not able to grasp the simplest idea that terrorism is a physiological factor, it is a state of the mind. Something in there mind drives them to do what they do. What is it that makes the people so ready to accept these ideas of hatred? SOMETHING is causing these new recruits to believe what they are being told. IF you can't grasp that simple concept I am sorry.

[Rebel46_99]

CollegeBoy...


Is your sentence structure, grammar and punctuation always this bad? Your term papers must be a real treat for your professors to read.

IF by any chance you listened to the President's speech last nite.... He said that the Iraqi people would be free to choose their OWN government. If it happens that the elected government is sympathetic to the US, so much the better.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

I read your comments, but when they don't make sense why should I take them for the truth. You seem to think that terrorist are born terrorist. That is false. Something happens in their life time to cause them to result to what they do. You keep saying it is a deep hatred of the US, they want to kill everyone, but what makes them have that hatred? I never said that by only cutting of the enrollment you will end terrorism. It will help, it will do more then other ways, but it isn't the cure all. I even said I agree with some of the things Bush is doing, cutting off funding, freezing assets of terrorist groups. Making sure they can't fly around or so. All of that helps.

Rebel46_99. Bush said that yes, but he can't do it. HE shied away from questions dealing with what will happen after the war and basically used quilt measures against the public and scare measures. Last nights speech was scripted as he said, and he still couldn't answer the questions. He keep answered in every question the same way.

And no, I don't turn in papers like I type here.