IRAQ THREAD originaly "Seems at least one Brit agrees with me....er us."

[aaron_mag]

Note that I noticed a headline that the French supported a 30 day ultimatium for Iraq to come into compliance. The Germans favored an even longer one. So you can quit bashing the French now.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
No I read your post on the difference between definition and what something means.

And what? Do you dispute the differences? Or that dictionary definitions eventually follow widespread usage instead of drive widespread usage?

[1stdeadeye]

Huh?

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Note that I noticed a headline that the French supported a 30 day ultimatium for Iraq to come into compliance. The Germans favored an even longer one. So you can quit bashing the French now.

When? Where?

Is this current news? I don't see it on any of the news sites. All I see is France still stating that the votes sren't there for the resolution to pass.

[ShooterJM]

Re: No!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
As for number 2, I guess Camden, NJ is a concentration camp then!

Hmmm it's not? I think I just lost a bet.....

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Note that I noticed a headline that the French supported a 30 day ultimatium for Iraq to come into compliance. The Germans favored an even longer one. So you can quit bashing the French now.

yes they did.

and BOTH proposals STILL disallowed ANY use of force to make Saddam comply.

which is why we're in this friggin mess to begin with.

[aaron_mag]

I just skimmed the headlines before I left for work. All I saw was that France supported a 30 day deadline while Germany thought it should be even longer. Did not have time to read it so FactsofLife is probably right...(on this ONE thing mind you )

[Collegeboy]

Re: No!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Don't think so. Are there fences surrounding them? They are places where people live. They are not detained or confined there, so Number 1 does not apply. They have historically been allowed freedom of movement in times where calm was prevalant.

As for number 2, I guess Camden, NJ is a concentration camp then!

You are playing semantics for sympathy. The problem is that everyone here sees through your thinly veiled attempt. It is not an appropriate term. Your defense of the usage just doesn't make sense.

Where in the first one does it say fences. BUt yes there are fences and other barriers seperating the camps and such. You can move around but it is so restricted it is unreal. Yes it is an appropriate term.

[aaron_mag]

Okay since we have gotten onto the topic of Palestine lets all agree on certain things:

1) Whether refugee camps or not many Palestinians have been forced off their land.
2) Jewish settlers are exacerbating the situation and are key in keeping the more militant party in power.
3) Palestinian suicide bombers are NOT helping the situation any and are in fact making it worse.
4) A peaceful movement led by someone in the manner of Gandhi or Mandela would be the Palestinian best bet.

I'm sure we can all agree on those points. Now we don't have to argue the meaning of concentration camps forever.

[Jack_Dubious]

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. "
-Bill Clinton




JDub

[1stdeadeye]

And

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Okay since we have gotten onto the topic of Palestine lets all agree on certain things:

1) Whether refugee camps or not many Palestinians have been forced off their land.
2) Jewish settlers are exacerbating the situation and are key in keeping the more militant party in power.
3) Palestinian suicide bombers are NOT helping the situation any and are in fact making it worse.
4) A peaceful movement led by someone in the manner of Gandhi or Mandela would be the Palestinian best bet.

I'm sure we can all agree on those points. Now we don't have to argue the meaning of concentration camps forever.

I have never disputed these points. I have said there is more then enough blame to go around! I just get infuriated at the use of loaded terms. CB knows what 99% of people will reaqd it as and uses it anyway!

[Collegeboy]

[aaron_mag]

Re: And

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
I have never disputed these points. I have said there is more then enough blame to go around! I just get infuriated at the use of loaded terms. CB knows what 99% of people will reaqd it as and uses it anyway!

I was just trying to move the debate BEYOND one word. I was worried that we would soon be arguing over whether we should be referring to Websters Dictionary or the Oxford Dictionary...

[1stdeadeye]

Huh?

Originally posted by Collegeboy

Okay, you're not biased. The Palestinians should keep up with the Suicide attacks until the Israelis pull out of the settlements? You are also wrong about the attacks. Al Asqua Martyrs Brigade is a division of Fatah (Arafat's party). They have commited quite a few of these murderous attacks!

Question. Who started this round of fighting? Who launched this Intifada?

Israel already made the first move. They laid down the terms upon which they would negotiate with the Palestinians. Israel only attacks in retribution currently. Who can blame them? That is what we did in Afghanistan.

Yes, the settlements are a problem. They are on average ocupied by a few hundred people each. Most of them are Zealots as well. Israel can't force them out. What they can do is remove their military protection which is a huge drain on Israel's economy. Will it happen? No. That would be political suicide.

Who has more to gain by stopping the violence? The Palestinians do. It might even get them a country.

[PolishSausage]

I'm not going to read every signle post here, I can get the jist of what was going on anyways.

I just have one question for those anti-bush/war/whatever

How does leaving Saddam in power promote peace?

answer that and I'll be happy

[Collegeboy]

I am not for leaving Saddam in office, I am just against a war. For I feel the "War" can be won, but the peace will never be won.