Would The US Been Able to Win WWII Without the USSR?

[superdesk2007]

What do you think?
Heres what I think.

Could Russia have done much without the Lend Lease? What would the US have done if the Russians didn't tie up the German Armies(100 something in 42 or 43 in Russia I'm not sure about the time of invasion).

[Star_Base_CGI]

I doubt it. The Germans had moved into Russia and taken several Russian cities. Russia would have had to pull back to protect itself. Moscow was falling.

The US came out of WW2 as the worlds first dominate superpower. If the Japanese hadnt attacked pearl harbor things might have been different but as it was they were stupid enough to bring it to the worlds first, largert most powerful republican democracy.

[Collegeboy]

You all know my point, so I will not state it again.

[SlartyBartFast]

The question should be would the ALLIES have won the war.

If the USSR wasn't fighting the Nazis, they might have sold them fuel and supplies. Much of the war was won/lost depending on who had enough oil. The Germans were desperate to fight their way through the USSR precisely to get to the Russian oil fields.

But, questions like this are pointless. There are so many variables involved that we should just be thankful it all turned out the way it did.

[LawFox32]

well remember that Hitler attacked the USSR, so they were in it; if the non-aggression pact had held together, more than likely Britain would have fallen,

[Jack_Dubious]

I think a better question would have been, "If the Nazis could have succesfully controlled the power of the Ark of the Covenant, would they have won WW2?"


JDub

[Crighton]

If germany had never attacked russia. I doubt the US would have won. Russia was a meat grinder for the german armies. It tied up countless numbers of men, machines, and material. I think germany would have taken england most of africa and of course the middle east to secure its fuel oil. Germany would have mass produced the ME-262 and advanced u-boats. Then we would have german scientists complete the A bomb ahead of the US. Not a very bright picture for the USA.

[slateman]

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious
I think a better question would have been, "If the Nazis could have succesfully controlled the power of the Ark of the Covenant, would they have won WW2?"


JDub

Uhmmm... I think your thinking of Indiana Jones. Wrong reality.

This is what I truely love about history. Speculation. The "What ifs?"

The answer to your question depends on several other variables
1. Would the Japanese have attacked the U.S.? One of the Japanese's grievances against the US was the fact that they were giving weapons to their mortal enemy (although this was minor and just about everyone was their mortal enemy). No weapons to the USSR could have kept Japan at bay (but thats doubtful). If there is no war in Japan, then all the units that faought there cold go to Europe. If the Japanese don't attack, the does the US ever join in the war effort?

2. What would Germany have done differently? They would have used the same weapons and tactics, they just would have had more of them. As long as there was a palce for the Liberty ships to go on that side of the Atlantic, then Germany wasn't going to win. Their equipment, while ususally superior, took way to much time and money to produce. They didn't learn this until the war was jsut about over.

3. Two words: George Patton. As long as this guy was alive, the Allies had a chance. The Germans feared Patton above all other Allied Generals and Admirals. The reason was simple: Patton would have used the Germans tactics against them. Manuever warfare and the blitzkrieg tactics. Patton would have sped through Europe like he did through N. Africa and Scicily.

[eric]

I think we would have, but it would have been longer and way more people would have died.

Had Germany not been basically out of the war by the time we dropped the A-Bombs then I think we would have produced a lot more than 2. No nation would be able to stand up to having their cities obliterated one by one. The question is, had Germany not been under serious attack, would they have gotten the bomb first and would they have had a plane to deliver it?

[logamus]

Originally posted by slateman


Uhmmm... I think your thinking of Indiana Jones. Wrong reality.

obviously you are not familiar with jdub sir.

btw, very underrated line jdub.

[HoboJudge]

Originally posted by slateman

This is what I truely love about history. Speculation. The "What ifs?"

Theres a good book about whats ifs, called What If?. Theres also a What If? 2 which I'vfe bought, but haven't gotten around to reading yet.

Anyways, I don't think the Allies would have won. The U.S.S.R. was selling supplies to Germany before Germany attacked them. Hitler's attack faced Germany with a two-front war, instead of a one front. This took a large percentage of Germany's war-making power away from the western front.If that was put on the Western front, the D-day landing probably would have easily been repelled (assuming D-day still would have happened).

[Newbie215]

Fellas come on Russia was in the deperession as many countrys where, but russia was preety much in a depression before the great depression. Russia in world war two had 50% of her army with out a rifle every other solder was issued a wepon. There where maulnutritioned and lack of ablity to fight. a good resistance with 1/2 the army unequiped the russians where just another brick in the wall and was just a speed bump for the axis powers. The russians might as well had ran at them and preform a human wall for the others. Why do you think they lost so much land in WWI to whom went to Poland. Russia should haven't even been in WWII being changed in goverment. The russians where going through a civil war at the same time.

Heres a history lesson for you.

Civil war in russia-

Many people where opposed to the Bolshevik or, Communist, regime. These people included not only the loyalist to the Tsar (or Czar) but also the liberals and anti-Leninist socialist. Bolshevik or red army which intun demened a red scare OR red terror to influnce the Comunnist ideal. Russia is a jar full of jelly when it comes to the World wars 1&2 Lennin in ww2 wanted to join the leig on nations (the now day UN) but because russia removed it self from the war (ww1) they did no join. Leon Troski on the other hand in ww2 made a big influnce on the work programs.
Also not to mention the tank warfare russia would have never been able to compete. But now days russia has over 100,000 tons of resin and arsenic in a compound being seceretly raided by terrorest. Russia is the most feared county when it comes to chemical war fare. But the Mighty United States will allways be suprem.
I could go on and on and on but I got pms and e-mails

[AutomagRT1483]

Thats a darn good question. I think it would have ended in a stalemate if Russia was never against Germany in WWII. Then again, Russia might have still been on the side of Germany like they were when they invaded Poland together. There are just to many possibilities. I'll have to contemplate this and get back to ya.

[Jonneh]

In Soviet Russia, war wins you!

[Mango]

The United States would win no matter what, because WE WILL ALWAYS WIN!

End of story.