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  • Matt_mg
    Registered User
    • Jun 2003
    • 198

    #1

    Kids kill, blame it on video games...

    (Originally posted on the http://www.writersblockmedia.com/ forums)

    The relevant story can be read here, please do so you'll understand the full context of my post.



    The following editorial is my defense as a gamer and as a somewhat right-thinking member of society who's not been brainwashed by mass media or thinks that McDonalds is to blame by the paunch on my stomach.

    It is the claim of these boys that they were simply 'acting out' Grand Theft Auto when they decided to commit the acts of Manslaughter/Murder and Assault with a Deadly Weapon.

    I will first address what should be the real question, why did a sixteen and fourteen year old brother and stepbrother decide that it would be alright if they opened fire on a highway with a firearm. It seems to me that they have either psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies and should be institutionialized.

    It is also quite probable their parents were neglectful or at the very least imcompetent, as they seemed to have raised these kids who thought they could do this and get away with it. Point two on the parental front, they left a rifle with ammunition where teenagers with an obviously warped sense of reality were able to get at it, they are poor gun owners and should not be able to own weapons of that kind. Third point, if they were not neglectful or incompetent, they should have realised their children have a problem with distorting fantasy from reality and gotten them some psychiatric or psychological treatment sessions to help them with this and again made sure they could not get their hands on firearms.

    It is also possible that if these boys are sociopathic, one of the two is smarter than he sounds and knew that the "Grand Theft Auto" Defense would take the limelight off of them and they'd get away with probation and BS psychology junk and maybe even a book deal, possibly Discovery Channel time.

    Next point, I am a gamer myself, I bought my first truly violent video game at age sixteen. Since the time I began regularly playing these games, I have never had the urge to whack a security guard in the head with a crowbar, as you could in the game "Half-Life". Video gaming for me has been more a release of stress and anger than one that inspires me to commit violent acts against others. My temper has been something that I earned from growing up and being picked on at school, but I never wanted to walk into school with a 12-gauge shotgun and shoot all the people who bothered me. I've gotten angry from reading the news, dealing with lousy shifts and worse co-workers at my job, I play violent computer games on a regular basis and yet still, I refrain from going into my job with an automatic weapon and killing everyone I see. The only incidents where I became angry and it involved my personal computer was when my computer had a broken component or I had to reformat my hard drive. I enjoy my time on the computer and I doubt I would kill people when I was happy unless I had a severe mental deficiency. I haven't seen many people who just had a great day then decided to kill their neighbours and bury their bodies by the railroad tracks. This can be said for many of my friends and colleagues who play video games to relieve their stress, not develop a killer's mentality.

    This act happened because of either psychological issues in the boys themselves, it almost certain the parents are at blame for being so irresponsible with storing firearms around irresponsible children.

    Finally, if these boys bought this rifle, it shouldn't have been possible at a gun retailer in my opinion. I hate to tell how another country how they should conduct their civil affairs, but I don't see why teenagers should be able to buy guns when you don't trust them to vote, let them smoke or drink or sign up for the army, but handing out firearms seems like a good idea.

    These boys should either be put into Juvenile detention or a psychiatric instiution for evaluation, not be able to scapegoat their actions onto a piece of entertainment software. Anyone who can be influenced strongly enough by one of these games they they decide to act out the game itself violently should not be allowed to play these games in the first place.

    Finally, I leave you all with a question...

    If this had happened in 1964 and the boys claimed they were acting out the James Bond film "Goldfinger", what do you think would have happened? Would Ian Fleming have been sued or would the two boys be severely punished and the idea of the movie influencing them tossed aside?
    bla bla bla, does anyone read this anyway ?
  • -Jôker-
    AOs Original JoKeR
    • Nov 2000
    • 2132

    #2
    this doesnt make sense

    "Given the science and given the fact that these teenagers had unsupervised access to SHOTGUNS and made the decision to fire them on innocent motorists, blaming video games is misguided and counterproductive."


    "One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16, and his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre RIFLE."

    ppl need to get the story straight and/or get their gun knowledge up to par

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    • FutureMagOwner
      Registered User
      • Dec 2001
      • 3354

      #3
      meh i have played what would be considered violent video games since i was like 4(the first i would consider accualy violent would be the original wolfenstein i cant even give a guess on how old that game is and i had it since it was out) and i never have the urge to kill people except maybe a terrorist or something lol

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      • lopxtc
        Unix Geek
        • Oct 2001
        • 2706

        #4
        My question is this ... if people can sue video game makers for other peoples kids killing theirs ...

        cant I then sue the makes of racing games for all my speeding tickets?


        Aaron
        Team Managed Aggression, Missouri Paintball

        Pround owner of a 2003 Shocker, and AO.org user ... an almost unheard of combo.

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        • Miscue
          Super Moderator

          • Oct 2000
          • 7105

          #5
          I think people have been killing each other long before television and video games.

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          • Konigballer
            "Dusty Bottoms" on MCB

            • Jun 2003
            • 1254

            #6
            If playing violent videogames turned you into a killer in the real world then I would be a freakin' mass murderer. I've watched violent action movies since I was tiny, I saw Terminator when I was five. My favorite videogame on NES and in the arcades was Operation Wolf. I'm the best person I've ever met at playing Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, I got over 90,000 kills in PD. A lot of high school years were wasted playing videogames and paintball with my buddies. I love HALO, all the Grand Thefts...you name it. I love listening to metal, industrial music too. In spite of all these "bad influences" I'm still the most easygoing person I know. Adults blame everything on media and entertainment because they're scared and they want a nice simplistic answer like "videogames are bad" so they can sleep better at night. The problems alot deeper and more complex than that. Just look at the japenese, they are equally if not more so exposed to violent videogames and activities that would never be mainstream in america, namely Airsoft. Their kids are'nt trained killers......or are they?

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            • PyRo
              President Bioloaf inc.
              • Dec 2000
              • 10186

              #7
              Oh I know someone who could take you at goldeneye

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              • Automaggin2
                Registered User
                • Sep 2002
                • 2506

                #8
                Well, playing that Mary Kate and Ashley game gave me the urge to dress up like a 17 year old girl....


                no no jp haha. Video games do have pyschological effects on people. Maybe not you, but kids without parental guidance usually turn to video games and TV.
                Dub V

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                and couches are burned

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                • Hamster Huey
                  of Gooey Kablooie fame
                  • Mar 2002
                  • 140

                  #9
                  The trick is, there is data that supports a link between exposure to violent media and violent behavior. In fact, there's a whole heck of a lot of data to support it. Any number of reputable, data-driven organizations, including the AAP, APA, and a bunch that don't come readily to mind right now, recognize the connection between exposure to violent media and subsequent violent behavior. Does it allow people to completely blame Doom, Soldier of Fortune, and Postal for society's ills? Heck no. Does it obviate the responsibilites of parents to take care of their kids? Heck no. But does it raise issues regarding access to violent video games and other media? Heck yes.

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                  • gam-e
                    Who the hell?
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 1357

                    #10
                    Re: Kids kill, blame it on video games...

                    Originally posted by Matt_mg
                    Point two on the parental front, they left a rifle with ammunition where teenagers with an obviously warped sense of reality were able to get at it, they are poor gun owners and should not be able to own weapons of that kind.

                    Third point, if they were not neglectful or incompetent, they should have realised their children have a problem with distorting fantasy from reality and gotten them some psychiatric or psychological treatment sessions to help them with this and again made sure they could not get their hands on firearms.
                    You cant do point two, there's a littl problem with your suggestion being UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The right to bear arms does not say only if you are responsible, nope sure doesn't. Granted, irresponsibility may and should be punished, but you can't take away someones right to beat arms.

                    Parents don't often realize that their children have problems, does this make them neglectful, nope, not at all. It is considered normal for a child of a doctor to see an different doctor for his medical visits so that he does not recieve any bias, be it positive or negative from his parent. Did your mother ever tell you that you weren't sick enough to stay home from school, mine has, when i was dog sick too. Does this make her neglectful, nope. Point being that parents tend to look past alot of things their children are doing or are involved with because it has become mundane and a part of everyday life for them.

                    Ever been down on your luck bad man, real bad, where you dont want to come back. I have, and its not something im proud of, but i concealed it from my parents like a champ, they never knew, dont know, and never will know. They should be responsible for my actions, certainly, they should have recognized my inaudible, and quite non-existant cry for help.

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                    • PyRo
                      President Bioloaf inc.
                      • Dec 2000
                      • 10186

                      #11
                      Re: Re: Kids kill, blame it on video games...

                      Originally posted by gam-e


                      Granted, irresponsibility may and should be punished, but you can't take away someones right to beat arms.

                      Dion
                      Last I checked it was illigle, and quite ammusing to beat somones arm.

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                      • gam-e
                        Who the hell?
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 1357

                        #12
                        wow i had a typo, excellent job at pointing it out in a juvenille effort to shut me down. it worked, im going to sleep, all because you single handly embarassed me all to get out.

                        im going to go to sleep in shame, may god take my ignoillegilimate life away sune.

                        dion
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                        • WicKeD_WaYz
                          Ohio State Football #91
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 1817

                          #13
                          no its not video games fault its eminem's fault

                          no wait, its watching violent movies fault

                          wait no no it has to be gang related

                          no!!! its drugs!!!

                          or is it the easy access to weapons?

                          my point is people try and blame other peoples actions on something everytime. When will we wake up and realize there are just some stupid people in this world who would do some stupid **** like that.

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                          • Konigballer
                            "Dusty Bottoms" on MCB

                            • Jun 2003
                            • 1254

                            #14
                            You cant blame videogames solely anymore than u can blame music, the modern american family situation, religion(or lack there of), or what color shirt the kids wore the day they lost it. The columbine shooters played friggin' bowling the day they went on a rampage, but I dont blame bowling anymore than the 2nd amendment. We live in a society that has a tremendous amount of stimuli, entertainment, and rights that can be used an abused by an individual. Its the price u pay for living in a democracy. Does the fact that I have ridden in cars since I was born and driven them since I was 16 make it ok to blame the automobile industry if I lose it one day and run over a bunch of people. No, things like owning and driving a car,owning and shooting a gun, owning and playing baseball with a Louisville Slugger, carry a certain inherited amount of responsibility with them that society assumes when it allows the use of these things, just like videogames. Of course, not everybody in society is a sane, responsible person and that is a burden we shoulder when living in a place were we can play, use, and experience so many things. Society cannot be penalized by the actions of a few.

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                            • PyRo
                              President Bioloaf inc.
                              • Dec 2000
                              • 10186

                              #15
                              LOL, dude learn to take a joke.

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