Pedro = punk

[Timmee]

I used to wonder why NY and Boston always had problems. Now I know. It's because people ON BOTH SIDES can't let it go. I'm a diehard Yankees fan, and have been since I was a kid watching on Ch. 11 out of NY (this was years before digital tuners, to give you a hint as to how long ago that was). Did I rub it in at work that the Yankees are up 2-1? I'm almost outnumbered 3-1 there, so I'd have been able to get in a lot of boasting. But I acted like an adult, and I know that 1: The series isn't over 2: It's just a game and 3: I'm more mature than that.

Now I will admit, that to my eyes it did look like Pedro intentionally hit Garcia. But I don't know for absolute certainty about that. As far as Clemens pitch to Manny, I thought Manny over-reacted. Was it something that required the dugouts to clear? Absolutely not. Now, onto Pedro versus Don Zimmer. Should Pedro defend himself if someone takes a swing at him? It depends on how he does it. While rough, it isn't like Pedro threw Zimmer a right cross (although it'd have been better to walk away from Zimmer before he got to Pedro). Finally, that groundskeeper should be fired for assaulting a player (regardless of the team that player is on).

For those of you who are having trouble following my disjointed ramblings, I'll sum it up: Grow up, settle down, and enjoy the post-season play, because it only comes around once a year.

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by Hasty8
Do you mean to tell me that a youg man in his 20's can't defend himself against a 72 year old man? He could have easily just run away from Zim, which would have been the mature thing to do.

running away would have made him appear just as bad anyway probably. if we didnt know this was going to happen and he did run away this thread would be titled pedro = wuss in all likely hood

irregardless if anyone came at me and tried to punch me im not going to run off im also not going to beat the guy senseless(which is what pedro didnt do its not like he got in a boxing match with a 72 year old man)

the guy is in his friggen 70's they shouldnt be trying to punch anyone to begin with.


lol im getting too involved with this thread i dont even like baseball that much.

anyone else notices how the MLB sounds an awful lot like professionaly wrestling over the past few years?

[Johnny_Reb]

well dansim Pedro had time to run away from the Yankees so I dont think hed have too much trouble getting away from 72 yr. old Zim.

[snoogans]

hehe, pedro is no punk.. nyy shuld be used to this crap by now.

[CasingBill]

After today its official. Pedro does = punk!

listened to ESPN radio all day.

Mike Greenburg said punk btw hates Yankees
Mike Golic(sp) said punk
Dick Vitale said punk
Micheal Kay said punk
Dan Patrick said punk
Rob Dibble said punk
Wally Matthews said punk
Tom Keegan said punk btw huge sox fan

Thats pretty unanimous(sp)

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by EsPo

Joey- I dont think a pitcher in the MLB DOESNT hit someone on purpose.
Also, I think he was pointing at Garcia

I just wanted to chime in on this note here. I played several years of baseball and I was taught control of the ball. It's something the majors do very well. Sure an occasional slip up occurs but 7 out of 10 times it's on purpose. I didn't see the film due to they always show the end. So I don't know how close the pitch was. As far as Zim getting tossed to the ground it looked like he instigated it. I heard a small portion of the press conference. Either way it's overwith. Both teams have moved on. I suggest you all do the same and just enjoy the sport for what it is. ENTERTAINMENT!!!!!

[shartley]

[gam-e]

Originally posted by shartley

Zim clearly was in the process of attacking HIM.

Shartley i didn't see it that way, i saw Zimmer as going to restrain (wrap up not tackle, just hold) Pedro from trying to jump Clemmens.

Originally posted by shartley

This is where the bigger man argument comes into play. What you do as a grown mature man is run away and deal with the ridicule, end of story.

Originally posted by shartley

Well it was high, but it was right over the plate. I dont care if its 20 ft high 2 inches above the ground, or head level, over the plate is not close to beaning someone.



Also when you are a professional baseball pitcher, there is NO EXCUSE WHAT SO EVER to hit somebody IN THE BACK NEAR HEAD LEVEL. That is intentional hands down and anyone who tries to contest that is mistaken.

Dion

ps not trying to contest everything you said shartley, i was just using what you said to make the contrast between our opinions, and our reasons for such differences seen.

[shartley]

Originally posted by gam-e
Shartley i didn't see it that way, i saw Zimmer as going to restrain (wrap up not tackle, just hold) Pedro from trying to jump Clemmens.This is where the bigger man argument comes into play. What you do as a grown mature man is run away and deal with the ridicule, end of story.Well it was high, but it was right over the plate. I dont care if its 20 ft high 2 inches above the ground, or head level, over the plate is not close to beaning someone.
We agree on this one.

Also when you are a professional baseball pitcher, there is NO EXCUSE WHAT SO EVER to hit somebody IN THE BACK NEAR HEAD LEVEL. That is intentional hands down and anyone who tries to contest that is mistaken.Dion

ps not trying to contest everything you said shartley, i was just using what you said to make the contrast between our opinions, and our reasons for such differences seen.

[dansim]

looked to me that zim threw a left not tried to tackle anyone

[CasingBill]

2 points

1) All pitchers have a decent amount of control with their pitches. Pedro went for the head. There is not a baseball player(except red sox) or analyst that will deny that.

2) Since 1999
the number of yankee batters hit by red sox pitchers is 50!!!
the number of red sox batters hit by yankees pitchers is 23.

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by CasingBill
2 points

1) All pitchers have a decent amount of control with their pitches. Pedro went for the head. There is not a baseball player(except red sox) or analyst that will deny that.

2) Since 1999
the number of yankee batters hit by red sox pitchers is 50!!!
the number of red sox batters hit by yankees pitchers is 23.

I'll say that the numbers do stack up but you also have to take into affect weather conditions, if the yankees crowd the plate more etc. As far as pt 1 I am still yet to see the picture so my jury is still out on that one. By the way... How bout them Marlins? j/k

[FutureMagOwner]

do pitchers have control over the ball most of the time? yeah.

does it some times slip, your arm get an odd feeling, etc and you end up throwing it lord knows where? yes, randy johnson i believe a couple years ago threw a pitch and it went way off into no where and now he does it every year now on purpose if im not mistaken(atleast he used to) my brother is a very good pitcher and played in highschool and sometimes (even before he dislocated his shoulder) ended up beaning people on accident and sometimes on purpose (he always tries to hit me even if im sitting in the stands lol).

the fact is sometimes you cant really tell when someone purposely does it most of the time you do. personally i dont care.


as for the whole red sox beaning more yankees then vice versa those outside of new england (in fact you get it more in southern new england then anywhere else) we are very agressive especially against rivalries in just about every sport except hockey as far as i can tell (because we suck so much at it lol)

i kinda like to think of new england sports as like professional wrestling. new england is like cactus jack, hardly ever wins but is alot more fun to watch while you get other sports teams who always win or just suck and are boring.

[gam-e]

glad to hear you understand Shartley.

still gotta say that there is a heck of a difference between highschool, shoot even college and professional baseball.

these people are the best of the best, and most of the time they miss low, and that is when they are tired. Pedro is a controll pitcher, he could thread a needle with a baseball, and he had only pitched a handfull of innings - what im getting at is that he had no excuse to be tired.

yes i play baseball. im no pitcher thats for sure, but im more than decent. last year i batted .760, and had a slugging of .850 im not terrible right?

Dion

[Johnny_Reb]

A pro pitcher will not hit a player in the back of the head unless its intentional, Im positive. Yes, Ive pitched before in games and when I pitched, me, or no other pitcher my age ever hit somone back there. You dont lose that much control like that.
Come on man, he grabbed him by the head and threw him, he didnt "use his own momentum" to throw him down. He grabbed his head, paused, and threw him down. Being the bigger man does come into play when you are being attacked by a 72 yr old man. How much damage do you think he could do?