Michael Moore is being sued!

[SpecialBlend2786]

The statistics on the amount of gun related deaths in America compared to all the other nations in the world was interesting in Bowling for Columbine...

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by SpecialBlend2786
The statistics on the amount of gun related deaths in America compared to all the other nations in the world was interesting in Bowling for Columbine...

I can make numbers do anything I want them to. Your point?

[Curly]

What did he do with them? All he did was show the number of gun related deaths in each country... I would be interested if you came up with vastly different numbers...

[spazzed]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Michael Moore, a guy that tries to explain what is wrong in the US using his own way, which some see as wrong, others see as good. He gives it a liberal spin, just like the conservatives give theirs a right spin.

vs.

Someone responsible for the deaths of some many in that innocent government building in Oklahoma City.

Way to pick a winner people.

Michael Moore asked for an interview, he got one, the party knew he was being taped, case closed. Good night.

I have no problem with people stating their opinions, but the way he does it is pathetic. He manipulates his information, his recordings (interviews, etc.) & makes them say what he wants, regardless of the original "author's" intentions.

You've got the wrong brother. The one your after is either rotting in prison, or dead (can't remember which).

Yes, the party/parties knew of the taping, but they didn't know how much manipulation was going to be done on their statements in order for moore to give the impression he wanted.

You really don't read, do you? Must be easy hiding behind that wall of selective reading/hearing/seeing/etc.

[Collegeboy]

The facts are the US does not have the highest per capita of guns per person in the world. The US has the highest murder rate that involves guns per capita.

Moore wanted to find out why. He even said it was not the gun that does it, so he is obviously not for the taking away of guns.

So why is this, that is what he wanted to find out.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Curly
What did he do with them? All he did was show the number of gun related deaths in each country... I would be interested if you came up with vastly different numbers...

My point is, is that numbers can be put in ANY context that suits the user.

So let's assume that Moore's numbers are valid. So what?

Let's discuss a far more interesting point, of these countries that seemingly have less gun deaths for any reason than we do, what is the level of comparitive freedom? Hmmmmm?

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Moore wanted to find out why. He even said it was not the gun that does it, so he is obviously not for the taking away of guns .

horsecrap.

[spazzed]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
The facts are the US does not have the highest per capita of guns per person in the world. The US has the highest murder rate that involves guns per capita.

Moore wanted to find out why. He even said it was not the gun that does it, so he is obviously not for the taking away of guns.

So why is this, that is what he wanted to find out.

Won't comment on the stats, don't know for sure one way or the other.

Now how the hell does him actually admitting that it's not the gun that does the killing mean he's not for getting rid of them? All that says to me is that he actually has a tad bit of common sense.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife

Let's discuss a far more interesting point, of these countries that seemingly have less gun deaths for any reason than we do, what is the level of comparitive freedom? Hmmmmm?

So what you're saying is more freedom leads to more deaths...

[TigerMan]

If your calling Moore a hypocrite, than people who say gun safety and protection of family with a gun in the same sentence are hypocrites as well. You say you have that gun for protecting your family, then you say well yada yada I practice gun safety. Well practicing gun safety then would defeat your entire purpose of that gun being for defense because if you practice gun safety, you have that gun locked up, unloaded, and put away some where. In the event someone breaks into your house, are you going to ask them to hold while you get your gun ready? And therefore, if you have the gun for safety then your not practicing gun safety because then you most likely have that gun loaded and accesible somewhere.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by SpecialBlend2786


So what your saying is more freedom leads to more deaths...

I'm saying that in these so called civilised countries, countries that don't allow private gun ownership for instance, that do not allow their citizens to act on their own behalf are FAR more restrictive of other freedoms as well.

See, there's this little word that people like The Boy hate with a passion.... Responsibility.

With the freedom comes the price. The simple fact that there are always going to be a certain percentage of people that simply do not care about laws, or repsonsibility, are also those committing the vast majority of the crimes and gun related homocides in this country.

But God forbid that you insist on people following the laws. Why that's not fair!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by TigerMan
If your calling Moore a hypocrite, than people who say gun safety and protection of family with a gun in the same sentence are hypocrites as well. You say you have that gun for protecting your family, then you say well yada yada I practice gun safety. Well practicing gun safety then would defeat your entire purpose of that gun being for defense because if you practice gun safety, you have that gun locked up, unloaded, and put away some where. In the event someone breaks into your house, are you going to ask them to hold while you get your gun ready? And therefore, if you have the gun for safety then your not practicing gun safety because then you most likely have that gun loaded and accesible somewhere.

good point up to a point.

My handgun is loaded and ready instantly for use. It lives in a pistol locker on the side of my bed where I can get to it, dial the code and be armed in about 5 seconds. My wife and I both know how to access it, no one else does.

I have my neices and nephews here regularly. All they see is the black box under the bed. My nephew is now old enough tomunderstand what a gun is, and that it demands the most repsect of anything in the world. He knows it isn't a toy.

So as far as you're concerned, this is unsafe? Nonsense. The proper precautions are in place. The gun NEVER comes out when there are children in the house, and he is taught every time he shows interest that there is a dangerous object there that is not to be touched. Instead of acting like some sheeple, and hoping that some gun safe, or someone else is going to do my job of making sure the kid's are safe, instead of say putting child proof lids on everthing, make sure it's put away and out of reach, let's dump the repsonsibility on someone else. Not in my house. There's way too much of that kind of thinking going on in this country. It needs to stop, and people need to start taking responsibility for their OWN actions. Or inactions as the case may be.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife

There's way too much of that kind of thinking going on in this country. It needs to stop, and people need to start taking responsibility for their OWN actions. Or inactions as the case may be.

well said. I completely agree with that.

[Curly]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Let's discuss a far more interesting point, of these countries that seemingly have less gun deaths for any reason than we do, what is the level of comparitive freedom? Hmmmmm?

So thousands of more deaths a year is freedom? As far I can tell, death is the farthest from freedom you can be.

[SpecialBlend2786]

I'm incredibly proud to be a citizen and to be living in America. But even though its the best place to live, that doesn't mean its perfect or that we cant try to make it better.