Michael Moore is being sued!

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Army
...and no, a person will NOT be sucked out a bullet hole, that is total Hollywood derived myth.

But will the Alien get sucked out into space like in ALien 4?

And that's very interesting Army, I didn't know all that.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Yeah, I saw it, and it was a one sided slander that covered only what Moore wanted us to see and it completely distorted the reality. Period.



As always, I did read what you said. And as always, you did say what I accused you of. Remember these choice words?



You seemed pretty sure that we'd all die because of the pshycopathic behavior we'd all exhibit if we all had guns.

To all the people that think allowing people to carry guns is going to get us all killed allow me to showcase exhibit A. ME I think we can all agree I'm about as ill tempered as a person gets. I'm also somewhat unstable. Yet I've managed to own guns for TEN YEARS and I've yet to shoot a single person. I've pulled a gun a time or two, but never, NOT ONCE shot a person. (and the times I pulled a gun were all in self defense against a person with an illegal gun that pulled it on me).





Because there are no legal hand guns and as a result the people in that town are easy prey to their attackers and the attackers know it. So long as allowing the citizens to arm themselves is ruled out we'll never know if it would solve the problem. But I'm betting all my chips that the rates lower and quickly once the attackers know there's no more free lunch.

Frankly, it should be simple enough to figure it out. At the very least the lack of legal guns isn't keeping the murder rate down, so why not allow the citizens to carry guns? They're defenseless now and the illegal attackers are not. Maybe it's time to try and balance out the equation a little.

You must not have seen the movie since you seem to mess up on the easiest thing. Again watch the movie your view point might change, though I doubt it for you have your mind made up without even seeing it.

Again read what I wrote there and later on when I explained it for those who could not understand what you quoted, though it is there.

Could it be the attitudes of the people, the background, the population density, etc........ But of course you first turn to the gun or lack there of.

[Collegeboy]

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


So?

I think it's weird for a magazine company (a company that has a profound interest in your literacy) to give out free colanders with half naked girls and video tapes, two things that don't require reading.

So it's a little different. That's probably why it worked.

That's a bad analogy, but I understand your point.

I guess you're right; it's just a ploy to bring in business. I'm just not a gun person I guess; not to say that I don't think people should be able to have guns.

[spazzed]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


That's a bad analogy, but I understand your point.

I guess you're right; it's just a ploy to bring in business. I'm just not a gun person I guess; not to say that I don't think people should be able to have guns.

Lemme ask ya a couple questions Carnifex...

1. How old are you? May seem insignificant, but I think a lot of you already know what I'm getting at.

2. If people shouldn't be able to have guns, how do you propose they are gotten rid of? Are you going to come & take them from me & all who own them (legally)? Are you going to put your life on the line for that? Is it worth it? Not saying you'll die if you try, but I wouldn't press your luck, last time I checked, the 2nd ammendment hasn't been abolished...yet.

[hardr0ck68]

wow this makes my head hurt....i have 4 points

first off, I like Moore
second off, I like gun ownership
third, I believe that gun ownership should always come with safty training....nothing is more dangerious than an idiot with a gun he does not know how to use
fourth, I with all my heart support someone who tries to find a sane solution/cause for this nations identy crisis and the raw fact that someone in mass meida is trying to make politics intersting. This nation has straid way off the course of enlightenment thought that founded it, the average man knows little or nothing about his/her role in goverment we even tend to wine when its time to serve jury duty. Engaging people in political thought should be priority number one so we can make informed choices as citizens. Some would claim Moore made half cocked falicies,(i believe Moore is less of a problem than half cocked hillbillies like Toby Keath)I however believe that he edited the film in a clever manner and it frankly pissed of some folks who are part of the identity problem. I could go on and on about the identity problem, its a thesis i have been toying with for awhile now, basically Americans dont know what American is other than cheese burgers and cowboys.

so yeah there is my novel

[magman13]

I've read everything so far and I've seen a lot of good points. I was searching on the topic and came across this site It makes a lot of good points and tears apart a lot of what moore says. But don't take everything this site says for fact, just as you should not take everything moore says as fact. But it might get some people thinking in the right direction. Hope it helps.

[Konigballer]

spazzed, Carni never said anything about coming for your guns so I dont think he'll be prying them from your cold dead hands anytime soon, chill.

I swear, way to many gun owners get so paranoid about people "comin' for their guns", try not to sound to wacked out. Thats why they invented the term "gun nut" in the first place. Your going to go give us tennesseans a bad name, if we dont already have one.

For whatever Carnifex's age is, he had enough sense for his post to not to sound half as nonsensical and completely off topic as the last half of your reply to his post did.

[Restola]

Originally posted by spazzed
2. If people shouldn't be able to have guns, how do you propose they are gotten rid of?

The ultimate question, and the reason for the utter failure gun control has been.

Criminals don't follow the law (and we currently have about 20,000 gun laws on the books).

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/GunLaws.htm

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by spazzed


Lemme ask ya a couple questions Carnifex...

1. How old are you? May seem insignificant, but I think a lot of you already know what I'm getting at.

2. If people shouldn't be able to have guns, how do you propose they are gotten rid of? Are you going to come & take them from me & all who own them (legally)? Are you going to put your life on the line for that? Is it worth it? Not saying you'll die if you try, but I wouldn't press your luck, last time I checked, the 2nd ammendment hasn't been abolished...yet.

Wow, you suck dude. The very fact that you question my age (I'm 16 by the way.) during a debate is purely idiotic. Not to mention throughout this thread I have said I am not against guns.

I severely hope you aren't out of highschool yet, otherwise you need a god damn tutor so you can become literate enough to read what people write.

[hardr0ck68]

reading back would just like to point out that saying banning guns is the only factor in higher rates of violent crime has
A: been proven wrong in other nations, i wounder why we have such an issue with it
and
B: like saying colombine high would have been safer if all the students were armed

from my poly sci class we are taught ot look for the warrants then attach the warrant not the argument, the argument that

banning guns is dirrectly responciable for higher rates of violent crimes therefor you are at risk in regions without "right to carry" laws

has a warrant that looks like this

personal safty is dependant on the ability to legaly carry a gun

while i am pro gun, i believe that this is incorrect, their are many other factors to personal safty. if you believe i am wrong, then give me your addy i will get good and hammered and drive up and down your street soon you will feel not so safe gun or no. (are you going to shoot all drunk drivers, or drivers you believe to be drunk??)

i believe that guns need a level of responcibility that many "adults" in this fine nation do not have, i for one would not trust our commander and cheif with a pistol around my childern. (btw i have no children, it just sounded better than cat, call me MM if you like)

[Restola]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
if you believe i am wrong, then give me your addy i will get good and hammered and drive up and down your street soon you will feel not so safe gun or no. (are you going to shoot all drunk drivers, or drivers you believe to be drunk??)

What in the heck is the point of that? And if someone is flying a 757 into your house I bet that gun wont make you feel safe either.

so...what

Do you always use total nonsense to try to prove points? You must be in college...

Personal safety does partially depend on the ability to own and carry guns. If it was the only factor...obviously anyone not carrying a gun would have long ago been murdered. A completely irrelevant and ignorant concept that was never brought up, and used (poorly) to try to strengthen your arguement, while you safely take the middle road...

Total...freaking...nonsense.

[spazzed]

Originally posted by Konigballer
spazzed, Carni never said anything about coming for your guns so I dont think he'll be prying them from your cold dead hands anytime soon, chill.

I swear, way to many gun owners get so paranoid about people "comin' for their guns", try not to sound to wacked out. Thats why they invented the term "gun nut" in the first place. Your going to go give us tennesseans a bad name, if we dont already have one.

For whatever Carnifex's age is, he had enough sense for his post to not to sound half as nonsensical and completely off topic as the last half of your reply to his post did.

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


Wow, you suck dude. The very fact that you question my age (I'm 16 by the way.) during a debate is purely idiotic. Not to mention throughout this thread I have said I am not against guns.

I severely hope you aren't out of highschool yet, otherwise you need a god damn tutor so you can become literate enough to read what people write.

whoawhoawhoa now, don't get riled up, you seem to have misunderstood my point.

My statement was an evolution of the argument, so to speak. He thinks people shouldn't have guns, so indirectly, I asked how he thinks they should be eliminated.

I'm not paranoid per se, but I do respect & acknowledge that the anti-gun lobby has been trying to take them over the past 20 years or so.

(See Carnifex's inserted quote above) So I'm the "Nonsensical and Completely off-topic" one in this group? You've been talking to CB too much

[spazzed]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


Wow, you suck dude. The very fact that you question my age (I'm 16 by the way.) during a debate is purely idiotic. Not to mention throughout this thread I have said I am not against guns.

I severely hope you aren't out of highschool yet, otherwise you need a god damn tutor so you can become literate enough to read what people write.

I asked your age not to demean you, but to show a trend. If you'll look at the participants in this thread, *most* (not all) of the anti-gun folks are young, HS/College/Relatively fresh out of college, whereas the pro-gun lobby (again *most* not all) are older & have had the time to experience the "Real World". To sum it up, I'm saying that as people get older & grow, they see things, experience things, etc & see how life really is, not the artificial Utopia the anti-gun lobby would have us believe would exist sans-guns.

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


*SNIP*

I'm just not a gun person I guess; not to say that I don't think people should be able to have guns.

Need I say more?

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


*SNIP*

I severely hope you aren't out of highschool yet, otherwise you need a god damn tutor so you can become literate enough to read what people write.

I refer back to my statement about who the "Non-sensical and Off Topic" one is.

[Konigballer]

I just dont think you need to be lecturing anyone with your "real world" experience because judging from your profile you must be what, 20 or there abouts. That does'nt make you Yoda.