Taxes suck!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I grew up in a 20 year old trailer that was in pieces with a disabled father that could not work and a mother who worked 20+ years for the US government yet only made 18,000 a year. My father brought home very small retirement check of about 800 or so a month.

You fail to realize that these people at the bottom will not want to stay there all the time. They will want to better themselves, but to do so, they need help in surviving while they are at the bottom, without that help they will be forever stranded at the bottom slowly dieing from not having enough to survive.

There are more people who use the system to better themselves then there are who are freeloading on the system.

So if your family is so poor, why were you shopping for an Infinity G35 Coupe?

Sounds fishy to me!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


So if your family is so poor, why were you shopping for an Infinity G35 Coupe?

Sounds fishy to me!

The key word there is was. Over the last two years my father has received alot of the stuff he had applied for 5 years ago (SSID, 100% disability, etc.......) When ever this concurrent pay bill gets passed funded he will get more. To go with that an increase in medical benefits which means we didn't have to pay for certain items and care that the government would pay for to begin with.

My parents are still semi struggling, but they are better off then 2 years ago.

Why was I shopping for a coupe? I get paid 700 a month from the government to go to school, plus 2,000 a semester to come to my school, plus free tuition, etc....... I decided not to buy a new car and decided to keep my kia until I can get out and get a job, for I need to save the money I get now for grad school or what not.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Yep still playing that age old game. When will people ever learn.

Then answer me this child, exactly what product is it that the Red Cross sells. Or how about this one, where's the United Way's Christmas catalog full of items just in time for shipping before Christmas?


Guess what FOOL, they subsist on those DONATIONS that you say the REST of us don't make.

I don't think you could look more ignorant if you tried.

And just out of curiosity, when do you plan to stop acting the victim around here?

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


Then answer me this child, exactly what product is it that the Red Cross sells. Or how about this one, where's the United Way's Christmas catalog full of items just in time for shipping before Christmas?


Guess what FOOL, they subsist on those DONATIONS that you say the REST of us don't make.

I don't think you could look more ignorant if you tried.

And just out of curiosity, when do you plan to stop acting the victim around here?

People will help, but it will never be enough, it is human nature, as I have said.

I am not acting the victum, just clearly stating reality.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


People will help, but it will never be enough, it is human nature, as I have said.

I am not acting the victum, just clearly stating reality.

Please, you spend your entire time on here whining about how unfairly you're treated. Misunderstood? Hardly, most of us understand YOU perfectly. You're just another snotnosed kid trying to play grownup and doing a miserable job of it.

Here's a thought, stop parroting your liberal professors and actually have a novel thought for once. I doubt you can but try it anyway.

And as for your assumption that it is never enough. Those with their hands out looking for others peoples money ALWAYS complain that it's NEVER ENOUGH.

Guess what? IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

God forbid that the needy in this country actually go out and EARN their keep.

Oh NOOOOOOOO people like you and your way of thinking would rather they kept their hands out, keep asking for more, and then have the balls to complain that it's not enough.

GET A JOB.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


Please, you spend your entire time on here whining about how unfairly you're treated. Misunderstood? Hardly, most of us understand YOU perfectly. You're just another snotnosed kid trying to play grownup and doing a miserable job of it.

Here's a thought, stop parroting your liberal professors and actually have a novel thought for once. I doubt you can but try it anyway.

And as for your assumption that it is never enough. Those with their hands out looking for others peoples money ALWAYS complain that it's NEVER ENOUGH.

Guess what? IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

God forbid that the needy in this country actually go out and EARN their keep.

Oh NOOOOOOOO people like you and your way of thinking would rather they kept their hands out, keep asking for more, and then have the balls to complain that it's not enough.

GET A JOB.

Come to my college and see my "liberal" professors, and how they teach. These are my ideas; they are not someone else's so please stop using that age old stupid cop out.

The people who need it the most do have a job; they are trying to better themselves. But because of circumstances in our economy they are not paid enough to survive. Hence they need help.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Come to my college and see my "liberal" professors, and how they teach. These are my ideas; they are not someone else's so please stop using that age old stupid cop out.

The people who need it the most do have a job; they are trying to better themselves. But because of circumstances in our economy they are not paid enough to survive. Hence they need help.

Riiiight once again your college is somehow "different" than the other three that I've graduated from. And from the VAST majority of colleges that have now become the last refuge of outright liberalism in this country.

But since we're talking about YOUR vast experience with exactly ONE college, once again no one understands you.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


Riiiight once again your college is somehow "different" than the other three that I've graduated from. And from the VAST majority of colleges that have now become the last refuge of outright liberalism in this country.

But since we're talking about YOUR vast experience with exactly ONE college, once again no one understands you.

Do you not know anything about the University of Alabama. Of course there are liberal teachers here, but they don't tell use what to think, they give us history and have us write our own ideas from it. It is how a lot of college teach, maybe you went into the situation expecting something, and of course saw that something.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
These are my ideas; they are not someone else's so please stop using that age old stupid cop out.

It's not a cop out. We're trying to justify to ourselves how someone could hold your views.


Anyway, I think wellfare is fine. For like 6 months. You fail a drug test, you're gone. You have another kid, you're gone. You don't go out EVERY DAY FOR 8 HRS A DAY to find a job or learn a skill, you're gone. I have no time for sloths and I don't think they should get one cent.

Beyond that, a graduated consumption tax would be good.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by ShooterJM


It's not a cop out. We're trying to justify to ourselves how someone could hold your views.


Anyway, I think wellfare is fine. For like 6 months. You fail a drug test, you're gone. You have another kid, you're gone. You don't go out EVERY DAY FOR 8 HRS A DAY to find a job or learn a skill, you're gone. I have no time for sloths and I don't think they should get one cent.

Beyond that, a graduated consumption tax would be good.

Justify my views, why don't you justify your views fist .

[ShooterJM]

Sure thing - Why should I help someone who won't make the slightest effort to help themselves? Barring extenuating circumstances of course. If it's been established that you can't afford to feed your family, you have no right to have another kid and expect me to pay for it. There have to be consequences for your action or inaction. Give them a fixed amount of time for education and a "do over" blow it again and you're out.

Now I also advocate having offices for day laborers for people who flunked out of the welfare program. Clean drug test, go work there. Work there for x amount of time with NO problems, get probationary welfare again. Kinda of a last chance type of deal.

[Collegeboy]

So are you saying that the majority of people on welfare are there using the system, who only do enough to get by, who are wasting your money, and are on drugs.

I am sorry, but I wonder if you even know anyone of which you are talking about.

There are jobs in this country that can not afford to pay over minimum wage for the amount of return on them is not great. There are more of these types of jobs (way more) then teenagers and college students to work them. That leaves a sizable left over of jobs that have to be field for they form a vital interest to our country. Now if everyone that are in the jobs only work them for a little while they will need help to survive while they are working them. Say they get the help get the education, then they will be out looking for upper level higher paying jobs and we will have too many qualified people for far too few jobs. That will wither create a sizable unemployment rate, or create a society of educated garbage me, or qualified bankers working garbage for their life until a job opening begins. this limits prosperity of the society for by the time the person gets open for a position they are normally too old to keep at it for a period of time, and their productivity was gone years ago while they were picking up garbage.

It is in your best interest to keep these people down, but contempt, while paying them a small portion of your wage, so that you can continue to get that wage.

[ShooterJM]

Yeah, I live in the ghetto. Both of my neighbors are on welfare. Do they ever look for a job? No. Do they have kids still? Yep they pump out babies well enough. Do they do drugs? yep. I call that using the system.

You can somehow afford to buy weed, have kids, own cars and stereos and TV's, but can't buy food? I don't buy it.

In any group there will always be poor people. Do you really think that enough people currently on welfare would ACTUALLY be willing to go to school and work and get a job to make a supply impact?

But play out the scenario of my plan. Everyone on welfare gets educated to varying degrees based on their ability, I mean, lets face it. Some people are not smart, don't learn quickly and will find that their station in life is to either start their own business or shovel crap somewhere. Anyway, everyone gets a job and starts dropping off of the welfare payroll. As the welfare payroll drops, taxes would drop stimulating the economy and the job market. Supply goes up, but so does demand. Demand will increase as disposable income of the former welfare dependents start to put their money back into the market.

I'm not saying everyone will get a great job. I'm just saying a person earing $700 at a job is better then a person earing the same amount on welfare. If they can't find a normal job, have the state put them to work. Pick up trash, wash off spray paint, help in veteren homes, etc. Do something for your money, that's all I ask.

[MaChu]

No but he is saying a vast majority of those type of people are using the welfare process. By doing a screening, which wouldn't take much time, would in essence, save more money because the people who really do deserve it, get it and those who dont...well dont.

[Collegeboy]

The vast majority of people on welfare type programs are your average working class men and woman who are not paid according to their job, as they should be. They do not use drugs, they do not drive a Lexus, they do not live outside their boundaries, and in essence puts food on the end of the chain.

The majority of people on welfare hate being there and would do anything they can possibly do to get off of it. If they want to go to school or college (again not a prerequisite to succeed in this country) they will do that, if they want to try and find another job that pays better with benefits, then they will do that.

As for your idea of the demand side of economics coming into play if welfare payments go away. There is only a limited amount of resources possibility available in any country at any giving time, and it will never ever come close to what would need to happen, to guarantee these people these good jobs, while still having others do some of the most important jobs, but are inherently low paying jobs. (will you then support a vast illegal immigrant work force)