League of Nations?

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by MarkM
Ok College Boy and a few others do enough sabre rattling for their own countries....but what the hell are you saying? Japan a member of the LON or even China...no they weren't and as for Italy invading North africa and France and England doing nothing....sorry we were already at war with Germany and as soon as Italy aligned itself with Germany and signed the agreement as an Axis power we were then automatically at war with Italy and reacted as we had to. WWI only had the US involved after a german plot to get Mexico to attack the US was discovered nothing to do with that liner getting sunk and WWII...we all know why US involvement happened there.
Not saying for one minute that US involvement in either conflict didn't help....WWI got a lot of americans killed early on as the US Generals didn't listen to the Generals who had already been fighting for 3 years and the tactics employed were the same as France and the UK had tried at the beginning to no use...but since when did a General listen to others.

MSN Encarta: League of Nations

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
The LON have no way to enforce its policies. It had not means of using other countries forces to insure world peace and tranquility. They fixed this with the UN. The LON could have survived with or without the US.

Nothing too wrong w/ this post
and i dont think it was trolling

[Southpaw]

What is the difference then between the UN refusing to stand up to resolutions passed against a country and the LON not having the "TEETH" to do so?

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Southpaw
What is the difference then between the UN refusing to stand up to resolutions passed against a country and the LON not having the "TEETH" to do so?

The thing is the UN did stand up for the breaking of its resolutions in just about all cases except when a member nation vetoed action done to them. (US vetoes resolutions passed towards Israel, US vetoes actions cast towards themselves, other countries vetoes actions, etc......) If you are meaning Iraq, the UN did pass sanctions against them. They didn't use their military option for they knew the problem they would get into after they removed Saddam. So it is kind of not truthful to say the UN will not, or did not use its teeth.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by Southpaw
What is the difference then between the UN refusing to stand up to resolutions passed against a country and the LON not having the "TEETH" to do so?

the LON did have teeth, it failed to use them however.

the UN, is much the same, but im not going to argue that here

[MarkM]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
MSN Encarta: League of Nations

Correct as for membership of Japan..my bad
You might want to read these links as they kinda explain non action and also the reasoning behind the events within China..mainly due to the rise of Mao ...as to for memebership and self removed membership of the LON plus of course expulsion. You might also notice that the Italian conflict with Ethiopia was a simmering row dating back to the previous century. The non action of Britain and France was not exclusive to those countrys as a decision after a meeting of the LON was deferred...
Creation of the LON was after WWI as the ratification the Treaty of Versailles was the basis for the league.

http://worldatwar.net/timeline/other/league18-46.html

http://www.indiana.edu/~league/1934.htm

http://www.indiana.edu/~league/1935.htm

[-J�ker-]

funny thing about the treaty of versailles is that 39 members of the senate had already stated they would vote it down before wilson ever got back from paris. when wilson got back to the states he went around the us promoting the treaty and tried to get the ppl to write letters to their senators stating they like the treaty etc... in the middle of this trip wilson had a stroke he immediatly went back to washington and had a more sever stroke putting him in a vegetated state from this time on his wife seceretly ran the nation kinda interesting

[Collegeboy]

funny thing about the treaty of versailles is that 39 members of the senate had already stated they would vote it down before wilson ever got back from paris. when wilson got back to the states he went around the us promoting the treaty and tried to get the ppl to write letters to their senators stating they like the treaty etc... in the middle of this trip wilson had a stroke he immediatly went back to washington and had a more sever stroke putting him in a vegetated state from this time on his wife seceretly ran the nation kinda interesting

You want to know what is even funnier, they US did not sign the treaty of Versailles, they instead signed a seperate treaty.

[graycie]

just seemed like a farce truce for the world because everyone was tired of fighting conflicts. the US is a perfect example, because they were dragged into WWI and then the focus was on isolation.

[breg]

Anyone else ever notice the politics and AO don't mix at all?

[MarkM]

Originally posted by breg
Anyone else ever notice the politics and AO don't mix at all?

Normally I would agree with you but this thread has been quite civilised, but then perhaps this is because the US has been cited as one of the causes of the non effective role the LON could play

[1stdeadeye]

If you wanted to stop WWII, forget the League of Nations, they should have called the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Sean Connery could have saved the world again!

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by breg
Anyone else ever notice the politics and AO don't mix at all?

Politics don't ever mix well when you get loony guys on both ends together

Mark's right...this is about the most civilized thread on politics on AO...maybe its because Mark and I are debating facts(Im right ) and nobody else gives a hoot what the reason for the fail of the LON was?

aye....

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Maybe the continuing polite tone is because the politics are 60+ years out of date? This more a debate on interpretations of history than on politics. And there isn't a wide variance in the positions, anyway.

[ZAust]

funny thing about the treaty of versailles is that 39 members of the senate had already stated they would vote it down before wilson ever got back from paris. when wilson got back to the states he went around the us promoting the treaty and tried to get the ppl to write letters to their senators stating they like the treaty etc... in the middle of this trip wilson had a stroke he immediatly went back to washington and had a more sever stroke putting him in a vegetated state from this time on his wife seceretly ran the nation kinda interesting

he was also an incredible racist.