U.S. Bars War Opponents....

[Butterfingers]

Collegeboy just likes making up theories in his head... I do remeber the time when he said the economy was never going to recover... OOPS!

If we havent realized it the economy is cyclical. Thats the way it always has been. Give it a sound fiscal policy the economy will recover.

Again I rather make decisons based on the relevant facts that I KNOW are happening rather than blind speculation on what "might" happen or what sombody "thinks" might happen.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon



(C) Guerillas & terrorists don't attack simply because the target appears weak. Otherwise Canadian assets would get attacked way more often, because we are pathetically weak compared to the USA or the UK. Attacks come because the guerillas/terrorist are upset about something, and want to force some sort of a policy change.



... Well, you can solve a guerilla problem by killing people. You just usually have to kill them ALL. The Romans did it quite regularly.

What did we do to deserve 9-11? Cause bin laden thought we were too nice to the isralis? If you havent realized it already terrorists are irrational.

Why should WE change for them when its against our intrests and against what is morally correct? Sounds silly to change our policy cause some small group of terrorists didnt like what we are doing... if it were up to them they would attack us until they changed policy up to the extent that America would be islamic fundamentalist.

Im sorry but if you dont take action after an attack like that, they are going to think they can get away with anything.

[mcveighr]

(A) The USA invaded Iraq legally, under a UN Security Council resolution passed in 2002 that threatened unspecified consequences if WMD disarmament was not proven. IMO, Bush made a mistake seeking a renewed resolution, when the possibility of failure would make it look as though the invasion was unauthorised, despite the prior resolution.

(B) Invading another country without UN approval is illegal, per the UN charter. That was the whole point of the UN. North Korea invading South Korea was illegal, Iraq invading Kuwait was illegal, USA invading Grenada was illegal. USA invading Iraq weas not.

(C) Guerillas & terrorists don't attack simply because the target appears weak. Otherwise Canadian assets would get attacked way more often, because we are pathetically weak compared to the USA or the UK. Attacks come because the guerillas/terrorist are upset about something, and want to force some sort of a policy change.

This guy knows what he's talking about.

I do feel for the terrorists on some issues, I know that sounds really bad but they have a reason for hating the US. Ever hear of palistine? I dont think that the terrorists should have done what they did, but the US has been helping to oppress Palistine for years.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by mcveighr


This guy knows what he's talking about.

I do feel for the terrorists on some issues, I know that sounds really bad but they have a reason for hating the US. Ever hear of palistine? I dont think that the terrorists should have done what they did, but the US has been helping to oppress Palistine for years.

there are problems in palastine because terrorists refuse to negotiate every time there is a peace plan a bus blows up... yeah I feel REAL sorry for the terrorists

[p8ntball1016]

well building a wall between israel and the occupied territories isnt going to help the peace plan either.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016
well building a wall between israel and the occupied territories isnt going to help the peace plan either.

Right and the US told Israel to tear it down... if they do it or not is yet to be seen and is dependant on the security situation at hand.

people do what is necessary... if your friends and family were being blown up in coffee shops what would you do? call the terrorists and apologize?

[Southpaw]

Do you understand that when France Germany and Russia didnt help the war it was said parties that GAVE UP the right to reap the benifits after! It was France Germany and Russia that isolated themselvs from the US.

Force will never solve a problem like Iraq is in now. Something which I thought you would have learned through countless examples, Philippians, Vietnam, Soviet Afghanistan, etc..... But seems like those who like force will always turn a blind eye away to the realities of it.

But seems like those who DISlikes force will always turn a blind eye away to the realities of it! Japan, Germany, the British the Southern states? You are right no one ever wins w/ force!

WHAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM in Iraq. Cards from hallmark? Emails that are VERY STERN?

Did your buddy Clinton attack Iraq for the right reasons?


EDIT: I think if you had your way we would be wearing lederhosen and drinking german beer! (only 1/2 of that is bad though)

[Kevmaster]

no, the US's foreign policy is a DIRECT cause for terrorism throughout the world directed at the US and allies. I argue(ed today on a Poli sci exam) that this policy is necessary and that terrorism, while it should be fought tooth and nail, is a necessary evil. As long as the US tries to bring democracy to the world as we have done over the past 50 years, we will be open to fundamentalists who see us as a ligit threat to their power...which we are. Again though, terrorism occurs because of our policy, however we have to stay the course and keep that policy stead-fast

[ShooterJM]

Ahhhhhhhhhh must....run away......must try.......to resist....

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
ABN.

No I want to prevent the deaths of the innocents that will far out trump the number that Saddam is responsible for killing. (many of which are terrorist (Kurds), or those who attacked the government (marsh Arabs)).

Saddam has killed tens if not hundreds of thousands! How can you compare the death toll between a pol pot style mass murderer and an attempt to free a country from that murderous regime. I don't recall seeing mass graves filled by the Allied Invasion!

When you know force will not work, you have got to find another solution. You do not just do something to do something, you make sure it will be effective, if not you will end up causing more problems.

Let's see: Saddam was in power, now he is not! I guess it worked, eh?

This is just like Vietnam. Read up, ask around, get information. Vietnam like Iraq is now, is WAY more then just the "war".

No it is not! They are entirely different. We are fighting this war to win, not as a holding action. Tactically they are entirely different too!

Do you think that killing guerilla insurgents is winning that war. When the Philippians government tried to repress the Hukabee in post WWII, for every one they killed 3 rose in its place. When the US tried to kill the insurgents in Vietnam, for every one we killed, another two or so rose in its place. You do not solve counter guerilla warfare by killing your enemy.

We have not heard much from the Islamic Phillipine Guerillas lately have we? Oh yeah, they are being wiped out by the government!

The US illegally invaded a foreign country without UN approval. The other countries are our allies and friends (as well as can be in international climate) they tried to tell Bush that they is no way he can win this war, but his jingo and warhawk cabinet is trying to make up for being laughed at in the defense department in the 1970's.

WRONG!!!!!

In Oct 2002, the Security council threatened Iraq with severe consequenses if they did not surrender their WoMDs! Bush acted under that article. The fact that the revised resolution did not pass is immaterial as nothing voided the first one, so you are wrong!!!!!!!!

You do not care about being liked. That explains the conservative view of international affairs. Why do we need diplomats, lets have a strong government let our guns solve our problems. And people wonder why we have terrorist attacking us.

It is better to be feared then loved, you are far safer!

Its our money that we spent by not going through the diplomatic channels to get htis situation solved. By thumbing our nose at the law of this world, invading a foreign country, then baring other countries from their fair share in Iraq (which they have put just as much effort as we have, just in other ways), we send the word out that we went in here for economic reasons. If we didn't, we would get our money back, then let it go its own way.

It is my tax money! I want it spent here with American companies. Foreign companies have no right to my tax money. If the Russians, French, and Germans want toget some reconstruction money, let their governments pony up the money!

No the Iraqi people are not capable. They will be imbedded in a civil war pretty soon, if one is not going on now.

The other side with John" CollegeBoy" Edwards!

No we didn't try to intervene in Iraq for 10 years, we did token efforts. Iraq didn't then, or now pose any threat to us, there was no reason to intervene. So is promising them that they will have to fight another war after we leave, that their children will be killed while dictator after dictator pushes for power, that a fundamentalist government will come into power, is that what is best for the Iraqi people.

Sanctions and inspections were not part of any diplomacy, eh?

Grow up, see the 'real' world. People do not just roll over and submit to the mighty guns of the US, gun diplomacy is over, Bush is 100 years too late. The world is tired of it. It WILL backfire.

Please! You grow up, get a real job in the real world and then come back!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Vendetta


I think you guys are forgetting just who is making the money. Cheaney's Haliburton and other such companies links to this administration. Boeing just got rid of the head because the Pentagon was offering its VP a job while they were negotiating a sweatheart deal.

YOU are the ones living in a dream world. It always about the money.

The right wing "revolution" was convincing the working classes of this country that the filty rich getting richer is good for them.

Interesting the the Clinton administration REPEATEDLY used Haliburton in it's rebuilding efforts in Bosnia, Somalia etc etc...

Also interesting the AlGore himself praised Haliburton for being one of the American companies, in the rebuilding efforts of the Clinton administration of these same countries, that was doing so cheaper and for less profit than anyone else.

but I guess through your blind hatred of anything having to do with President Bush, that you must have missed that small detail.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016
well building a wall between israel and the occupied territories isnt going to help the peace plan either.

Build the wall all around the territories, make it water tight and then fill it up!

Problem solved!

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Build the wall all around the territories, make it water tight and then fill it up!

Problem solved!

unless they have a suicide vest and scuba gear.

[Sir_Brass]

People do not just roll over and submit to the mighty guns of the US

umm . . . whatever you're smoking, I want some of it.

Did you not see how many Iraqie conscripts were surrendering even before bush ordered action against Saddam? All we had to do was mass along the border, and they came running hands in the air with white flags raised.

The U.S. military is a machine to be feared world wide. All it needs is authorize action or appear to be given authorization any instant, and most of whoever we'll be facing will turn and surrender, turn and run, see their support diminish drastically, or the rare, fight to the death . . . their death.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
ABN.

No I want to prevent the deaths of the innocents that will far out trump the number that Saddam is responsible for killing. (many of which are terrorist (Kurds), or those who attacked the government (marsh Arabs)).

When you know force will not work, you have got to find another solution. You do not just do something to do something, you make sure it will be effective, if not you will end up causing more problems.

This is just like Vietnam. Read up, ask around, get information. Vietnam like Iraq is now, is WAY more then just the "war".

Do you think that killing guerilla insurgents is winning that war. When the Philippians government tried to repress the Hukabee in post WWII, for every one they killed 3 rose in its place. When the US tried to kill the insurgents in Vietnam, for every one we killed, another two or so rose in its place. You do not solve counter guerilla warfare by killing your enemy.

The US illegally invaded a foreign country without UN approval. The other countries are our allies and friends (as well as can be in international climate) they tried to tell Bush that they is no way he can win this war, but his jingo and warhawk cabinet is trying to make up for being laughed at in the defense department in the 1970's.

You do not care about being liked. That explains the conservative view of international affairs. Why do we need diplomats, lets have a strong government let our guns solve our problems. And people wonder why we have terrorist attacking us.

So when will the US invade itself, or how about Israel?

Its our money that we spent by not going through the diplomatic channels to get htis situation solved. By thumbing our nose at the law of this world, invading a foreign country, then baring other countries from their fair share in Iraq (which they have put just as much effort as we have, just in other ways), we send the word out that we went in here for economic reasons. If we didn't, we would get our money back, then let it go its own way.

No the Iraqi people are not capable. They will be imbedded in a civil war pretty soon, if one is not going on now.

No we didn't try to intervene in Iraq for 10 years, we did token efforts. Iraq didn't then, or now pose any threat to us, there was no reason to intervene. So is promising them that they will have to fight another war after we leave, that their children will be killed while dictator after dictator pushes for power, that a fundamentalist government will come into power, is that what is best for the Iraqi people.

Grow up, see the 'real' world. People do not just roll over and submit to the mighty guns of the US, gun diplomacy is over, Bush is 100 years too late. The world is tired of it. It WILL backfire.

Unreal. Get out of the sixties kid, they're over. Just like your outdated liberal thinking.

And as for your admonition that he "grow up and see the real world" I guess that you, with your entire 21 years of living has seen far far more than those of us who actually were ALIVE when Viet Nam was going on.

jackass.