"My other car is on mars!"

[Bluestrike_2]

Top Ten Reasons to Inhabit Space

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/reason_01_000723.html

by the time we go to Mars, we will most likely have cheaper and much more powerful energy sources. Like antimatter for instance.
Antimatter is an extremely powerful substance. While we are still attempting to understand how to harness it, a single droplet of it could power New York City for a good day.
If able to harness it, we could supply power for a long amount of time. And cheaply.

A trillion dollars today, less tommorrow. Besides, it would be worth it. Let's face it, the entire human race on Earth could become extinct, easily. For instance, an asteroid could hit. A very large one. or a few gamma rays. if we were to expand our presence, we could further the chances of human survival.

Solar Extinction by Gamma Rays

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solar_extinction_040108.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/gammaray_bursts_010522-1.html

http://space.com/news/bush_plan_faq_040115.html

We are a race that has always pushed our boundaries. What if Columbus said, Ah, Forget it! What if we said "screw the Apollo program."

The Columbia accident has been viewed as a reason to cut off human exploration. They gave their lives for science. Their souls are now part of the universe, a symbol that instead of quitting, we MUST go on. Do we need their deaths to be in vain? They died for science and human exploration, not because of it.

Antimatter trip to Alpha Centauri (nearest star): 200 years

http://www.space.com/news/antimatter_engines.html

M2P2 Propulsion system

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/m2p2_propulsion_817.html

M2P2 Speeds

The solar wind, while relatively weak, moves at 780,000 to 1.8 million miles an hour. It could theoretically push a spacecraft at speeds up to 180,000 miles per hour or 4.3 million miles a day.

By contrast, the space shuttle travels at about 18,000 miles per hour or 430,000 miles a day.

Using a new propulsion system known as M2P2, it would be 10 times faster than the space shuttle and could zip by Voyager I, launched in 1977 and currently 6.8 billion miles away, at the very edge of the solar system.

M2P2 Travel Times to Mars:
At 416 million miles(distance traveled by Mars Climate Orbiter, distance can change, and will during time)a craft traveling with an M2P2 system can reach Mars at 180,000 miles per hour would take 2,311.11(repeating)hours, or 96.296(repeating)days(about 3 months). The shuttle would take 962 days, or
close to 3 years. If my math is wrong, please tell me.
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Looking to Lasers, Microwaves and Anti-Matter for Space Travel
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol..._031126-1.html

Advanced Propulsion Comes Of Age
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol..._020522-1.html

Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...ee_010621.html

Riding Laser Beams to Space
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...on_000705.html

Beamed Propulsion: Out Of the Lab Into Space
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...on_021105.html

Plasma Rockets Could Propel Man to Mars
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...on_000616.html

New Space Sail Concept Rides Stream of Laser Driven Bomblets
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol..._020211-1.html
Sailbeam(See above link of New Space Sail Concept)

A SailBeam mission en route by mid-century, perhaps sooner, is conceivable, Kare said. Even at the speeds attainable by the interstellar probe -- around a tenth of the speed of light -- the craft would take some 30 to 40 years to arrive at a selected star.

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A new Fuel
http://www.space.com/news/hydrogen_helium.html

Helium-3 On Moon
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...m3_000630.html

Black Hole Dynamo: New Source of Free Energy Fills Universe
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...le_020603.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ys_020422.html


A search on Google will show up more information based on any of these technologies. God am I tired after this. I hope this helps. Yes, any of the technologies will cost money, but what can come from them is amazing

This edit is now done. That was long...

[Chojin Man]

Wow antimatter would make atomic weapons look like child's play. I don't think humans are responsible enough yet to wield that kind of force.

[Rooster]

"Yes, we should just imprison them or better yet, let them die on the streets... sounds like a plan to me"

Let them die? I have absolutely no responsibility to keep them alive. If they are too lazy to take care of themselves, they arn't worth the air they suck in and blow out.

I have seen and lived with some of the worst poverty on this planet. Do you know what I found out? People arn't poor just becuase they are unlucky. People are poor becuase they are either lazy or unwilling to accept the consequences of their own actions. A poor person will greedily accept charity and will actually do even less so that their standard of living never improves.

No one deserves to live off the work of another person.

[Bluestrike_2]

we need to get the people on welfare JOBS (and the homeless).

A project like what was done by FDR during the Great Depression sounds like a plan to me!

[Vash02]

Okay rooster, no one deservers to live off the work of another person? What do you tell the kid down the street thats in a wheelchair? what about the guy with no arms?

A few years ago i thought the same thing. People that arnt willing to work dont deserve our money. Someone i talked to brought up a good point...if you are homeless or cant afford to pay your bills, you cant take a shower can you? Where are you gonna get a job that will hire someone who smells like garbage and has torn clothes and dirt all over them? Not everyone has the oportunity to take care of themselves, so dont be ignorant.

[Enigma4you]

Welfare on mars?

I admit that there are a great number of people on welfare that dont deserve to have anything given to them. In many cases a young woman has as many children as she can to increase the amount of money that she is given oe a drug addict claim disabiliy due to a drug addiction and is given money. Those are not typical, in fact they are the exception to the rule. In mosy cases a person getting asistance gets only a bare minimum, not enough to live above poverty, but enough to stay alive and in a resonable time frame that person is off of assistance. I have no problem whatsoever with the goverment useing the money I pay in taxes to help another citizen of this country better themselves, thier life and the lives of any children they may have.

I have no problem with the goverment using part of that same money I pay in taxes to send a probe to mars or to plan a colony on the moon or beyond.

I do however have a big problem with people that show no tolerance and are willing in their ignorance to paint with a wide brush every one the gets anytype of help from the goverment as scum.

As I understand it the GI bill is goverment assistance as well as as a Mother who raises her children with good values who goes to school to better herself and her family so that one day she may contribute to the goverment that gave a hand to one of its people. is on goverment assistance.

I challenge anyone to prove that the programs that our goverment has in place do not for the most part work.

I also need to point out that a great deal of families are now on assistance not because they are scum or drug addits, but bevause the father or mother has been called up to serve the country as reservist and as a result has caused great financial hardship to that same family, oh Im sorry we dont care do we, all people on asistance are scum...

[Bluestrike_2]

Originally posted by Vash02
So what do you guys really thing about this mars thing? I hear they now think that mars may be made of some sort of clay, meaning there is water. Kind of interesting i'd say.

P.S. I saw this speech bush made right after that. He says he expects a colony on the moon and a man on mars in less then 10 years. Good luck with that mr. bush!

LMAO

The President said that between 2015 and 2020 we were to attempt to get a basic scientific and exploration base on the Moon.

This would then be a STEPPING STONE to Mars. Not a man on Mars in 2020 and a Moon base. Moon first, Mars later. Mars could be in 2020, or 2050. There was no set date, just an agenda about which order.

When do we get to Mars?

No timetable was set. But you can bet it won't be before 2020, at least not if Bush's vision is carried out. If the White House and NASA think it'll take at least 12 years to get to the Moon, it seems reasonable to assume at least a few years more would be needed to mount a Mars mission, especially since the president stressed that financial and technological readiness would be evaluated at each step of the process.

Bush's New NASA Mandate FAQ

And some Concepts for the Civilian Sect:
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...ts_000621.html

[p8ntball1016]

Bush has basically killed the Hubble Space Telescope as he has canceled all future missions to it.

[Bluestrike_2]

uhhhh, No........

NASA did, not Bush.

The Hubble COULD work for another good 10 years. and you can bet a better telescope is in the works.

It can be blamed on them damn activists who want to shut down all manned space travel because of Columbia. If the astronauts of that mission knew what would have happened because of their ill-fated mission, they would have had a **** fit.

Activists like that are society's scum, not welfare people. Although welfare has a few scumbags in it, but they are NOT all scum. a good friend of mine is on Welfare, and I sure as heck don't think he is scum. Rooster, your comments are rude and inappropraite. My friends family is on welfare, but they work hard to improve their lives. They are working desperately to get off of it. Not all people are money sucking scumbags.

[Rooster]

"Okay rooster, no one deservers to live off the work of another person? What do you tell the kid down the street thats in a wheelchair? what about the guy with no arms?

A few years ago i thought the same thing. People that arnt willing to work dont deserve our money. Someone i talked to brought up a good point...if you are homeless or cant afford to pay your bills, you cant take a shower can you? Where are you gonna get a job that will hire someone who smells like garbage and has torn clothes and dirt all over them? Not everyone has the oportunity to take care of themselves, so dont be ignorant."

If a person has no arms becuase another person caused them to be cut off, then the other person should pay appropriate damages. If a person has no arms because they were driving drunk and flipped their car, then they better pray there is someone on this planet willing to pay to feed them. I am not opposed to personal charity. I am opposed to government CHARITY (calling it assistance is such unbelivable BS). I used to work for a farmer in a rural county. Every year he would beg for local kids to work for minimum wage (it was all he could afford) picking sweet corn. One day he has a bright idea. Why not go to the city, pick up ten guys hanging out near a soup kitchen and hire them to work for the day. Do you want to guess how many people he came back with? Not a one. Not a one was willing to put in a hard days work for honest money. If they aren't willing to work, I'm not willing to care whether they live or die, and its going to piss me off everytime a dime of mine goes to them.

If you want to keep some wretched husk of humanity, that is beyond completely worthless, alive for another day, feel free. More power to you. But do it yourself. Don't involve me, nor my money.

[Vash02]

Well its really to bad that you feel that way. In your case, yes i believe some people should have worked to earn that money. I have also heard many of the same types of stories that ended in the opposite way.

[Emily]

Originally posted by Rooster
"I am opposed to government CHARITY (calling it assistance is such unbelivable BS).

How is it charity when you pay taxes?

I paid taxes before I needed assistance, during and even after.

[Big'n slo]

Holy Crap!
Sorry Jack & Coke, didn't mean to turn your thread into a debate forum, I saw that saying on a T shirt in Stockton College's school store.

Lighten up people, you won't solve any of the worlds social, economical, or financial problems arguing on an open forum website about paintball.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Big'n slo
Holy Crap!
Sorry Jack & Coke, didn't mean to turn your thread into a debate forum, I saw that saying on a T shirt in Stockton College's school store.

Lighten up people, you won't solve any of the worlds social, economical, or financial problems arguing on an open forum website about paintball.

We can't?

You mean I have been wasting my time debating here?

Doh!!!!!!!!

[dansim]

rooster is now the 1st official recipeint of Ao's Useless troll award


1/18/04
Rooster
Usless Troll award

let it be put into the records