Raising the draft age.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Originally posted by Chojin Man


You are really comparing apples to oranges. Considering how many more millions and millions of people drive a car than serve in the military. Now if you were comparing percentages thats different, but I doubt that you were. It's the same thing as saying paintball is safer than playing golf. Golf has more injuries than paintball per year, but lots more people play golf than paintball. So you really can't compare the two in that manner.

As late as 1997, golf had more injuries (measured in lost work-days) than paintball, per 1000 players.

Originally posted by Rooster

The whole community service idea makes this idea nothing more than a national work program. That doesn't make sense on many levels. First, we are still dealing with the ill effects of the new deal, the last national work program....

The New Deal was a national employment program more than a national work program, which is why it cost so much money. It did achieve several positive effects, like keeping families from starving or resorting to crime, and building a national infrastructure which is still in use today.

Originally posted by The Deacon

... we've already got the biggest army on earth...

You have the most powerful army on Earth, but the Chinese outdo you for sheer size.

[Zumina]

Originally posted by Rooster
[BPotential danger? The only thing that is dangerous is not knowing how to deal with danger. Your argument holds absolutely no merit. A person is far more likely to die from a car crash than to die in the service. Should all children be kept out of cars becuase one might be the next Einstein?

The fact that you are afraid of being in the military has tainted your argument. [/B]

Military service just adds to the risk equation. Killed? Not very likely. Severely injured, maimed? Very likely. I know you're going off of the KIA stats from CNN, but CNN rarely touches upon the number of servicement WIA. A lot of servicemen changing life-changing both in training and while deployed. Don't beleive me? Talk to the 17 people in my uncle's unit that lost limbs while in Iraq.

Afraid of military service? Those are awfully strong words that lack justification.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon
You have the most powerful army on Earth, but the Chinese outdo you for sheer size.

Well on average, our soldiers are taller! Therefore we are the biggest army on earth! We might be heavier too!

We do have the largest military structure in the world, when you encompass our Air Force and Navy as well. Not in terms of the number of men, but of weaponry and power!

That is why I laugh at a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. They couldn't cross the straight to reach Taiwan without the US's aquiesence. Our Navy is by far the LARGEST and MOST POWERFUL in the world!

[Zumina]

Originally posted by Rooster
You see, the United States of America got sick of the spineless, the weak, and the naive, and so we voted them out of power.
The majority of Americans will no longer be led around by the nose by the ignorant.

So "we" elected a former alcoholic/addict with little diplomatic experience and a knack for creating new words.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Zumina


So "we" elected a former alcoholic/addict with little diplomatic experience and a knack for creating new words.

Clinton has been out of office for 3 years now. Leave the man alone already!

[Zumina]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Clinton has been out of office for 3 years now. Leave the man alone already!

Very true, but Rooster feels as though Bush is an entirely different person

[Zygote]

For all his faults, Clinton at least had decent public speaking skills.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Zumina


Very true, but Rooster feels as though Bush is an entirely different person

OMG!!

Bush and Clinton are the same man? I knew Clinton did not want to give up power, but come on. Turning himself into GWB, that is drastic!

[Chojin Man]

Ok I looked up the deaths in 2001 for fatalities per 100k for the military and for car crashes.

The number of deaths in 2001 per 100k for the military(including reserves) is 890

Deaths in 2001 per 100k (for registered vehicles) in car crashes is 19.04

But guess what the number one cause of death is for military personel? car crashes

and the number one cause of death for ages between 2-33 is... a car wreck.

[i like tictacs]

Rooster thinks he knows.

[Flamebo]

Originally posted by Army
Flamebo......wrong.

He has Congressional approval for military action, and all the UN resolutions called for military force to make Iraq follow them, as Iraq had agreed to do.

Even the French looking John Kerry approved of military force against Iraq.

You've gotta be kidding me. I realize you're a military man, but surely you recall the huge uproar in the months before Iraq. He may have approval now, but the point was he went in there without any foreign support. I may be young, but I'm not an idiot. We did NOT have UN support when we shipped a quarter million troops outside Iraq, and we certainly did not have enough domestic support to wage war against a foreign nation without any evidence. And not to sound like a jerk, but please don't hand me any bull about air strikes being an exception, war is war.

[Rooster]

"We did NOT have UN support when we shipped a quarter million troops outside Iraq, and we certainly did not have enough domestic support to wage war against a foreign nation without any evidence."

You are right we didn't have UN support. Nor did we need it. The UN doesn't run the US. The UN is as moot and as meaningless as the League of Nations without US backing, and what more, the UN knows it too. Perhaps you have frgotten just how much support a US led war in Iraq had, and how much it still has. Whats more, Sadam proved himself to be in violation of resolution 1441 by kicking UN weapon inspectors out of the country in 1998. That was all the evidence we needed.

[Zumina]

Originally posted by Flamebo
wage war against a foreign nation without any evidence.

So those 50-100,000 kurds died of the common cold?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Chojin Man
Ok I looked up the deaths in 2001 for fatalities per 100k for the military and for car crashes.

The number of deaths in 2001 per 100k for the military(including reserves) is 890

Deaths in 2001 per 100k (for registered vehicles) in car crashes is 19.04

But guess what the number one cause of death is for military personel? car crashes

and the number one cause of death for ages between 2-33 is... a car wreck.

Where did you get your numbers?

By your figures, that means over 9000 military deaths in 2001! That makes no sense!

And Zumina,
Nice Ownage!

[banzaimf]

uhm we had UN support for Iraq opening its doors to inspectors and following the terms that it had come to years ago. They just wouldn't vote for actually enforcing their own mandate. Kinda like the Waco PD not wanting to take care of the branch davidians.

Seriously though. Drinking ages, 21 was selected to 1:> try and make alchohol harder for HS students to get ahold of (that worked ) and 2:> Physiologically, the liver is one of the last organs to stop growing. It stop growing in most humans around age 20.