Al Franken - Defender of the Freedom of Speech

[shartley]

Originally posted by Chojin Man
"I'm good enough. I'm smart enough, and gosh darnet people like me!"-Stuart Smalley

[impostal22]

Originally posted by shartley

this is what i said when i said "notice that this has no relevance" so we agree on that....it kinda seemed you were arguing with me, but i think you were just agreeing with what i said...

Also, people have to keep in mind WHY this was added to the Constitution. And sorry, it was not to allow people to say anything they want, any place they want, as loud as they want, as long as they want, etc.

keep in mind this is your perception of WHY it was added. also, if we kept in mind WHY certain amendments were added, other things would change, like the right to bear arms, which was created so we could combat the british. i agree wholeheartedly that we should look at the WHY, but let's not be hypocritical about it. (i'm not sure on your stance on gun ownership, but i'll just assume for argument's sake that you are against all gun control)

i'll respond with a quote of what i said lol.."if, however, the heckler is making it impossible for the politician to speak at all, the solution isn't to frigging tackle him. i agree that hecklers who do this should really be shut up somehow, but not like that."

i think most people act in their own self interest 9 times out of 10 (at least in our type of society: i.e. capitalist). and acting in self interest is not something i equate with being a good person.

[shartley]

Originally posted by impostal22
keep in mind this is your perception of WHY it was added. also, if we kept in mind WHY certain amendments were added, other things would change, like the right to bear arms, which was created so we could combat the british. i agree wholeheartedly that we should look at the WHY, but let's not be hypocritical about it. (i'm not sure on your stance on gun ownership, but i'll just assume for argument's sake that you are against all gun control)

Originally posted by impostal22
i think most people act in their own self interest 9 times out of 10 (at least in our type of society: i.e. capitalist). and acting in self interest is not something i equate with being a good person.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by shartley

i agree that acting in your own self interest in some circumstances is even the best route to go. however, the extent which most people act in their own self interest is disgusting at times. and i'm not saying acting in your own self interest makes you a bad person, it just makes you not a good person (you used black and white that time )

[Furby]

Al Franken is a big fat idiot.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by spantol
How so?

Look at his whole body of work. He rages on about the evils of the right and how they lie, cheat, and steal. He claims the right is trying to stifle protestors. Yet when someone does something he doesn't like, he does the wrong thing and brags about it.

If the heckler was breaking the law, you let the police handle it. You DO NOT ASSAULT AND BATTER SOMEONE! Al Franken should be charged with battery for attacking that protestor!

He is a piece of dung!@

[1stdeadeye]

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[Chojin Man]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Dean's newest ad:

and I thought Bush was scary!!

[Albinonewt]

The Novak Story

This seems a little more reasoned. I don't think Novak should have initiated physical contact (if he did), but he didn't tackle someone from behind and then brag about it.

[Albinonewt]

And as for the free speech issue.

The heckler wasn't viotating anyone's free speech as defined in the constitution. Only the government is prohibited from constitutionally from infringing on free speech. I cannot deny you your constitutional right to free speech. Depending on where we are at the time I may be guilty of a misdemeanor for "shouting you down", but I am not violating a constitutional right.

And even if I was, tackeling me from behind isn't the right way to solve that problem.

(especially considering how dear the 2nd amendment is to me )

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
And as for the free speech issue.

The heckler wasn't viotating anyone's free speech as defined in the constitution. Only the government is prohibited from constitutionally from infringing on free speech. I cannot deny you your constitutional right to free speech. Depending on where we are at the time I may be guilty of a misdemeanor for "shouting you down", but I am not violating a constitutional right.

And even if I was, tackeling me from behind isn't the right way to solve that problem.

(especially considering how dear the 2nd amendment is to me )

[Albinonewt]

Because you brought it up

Jona Goldberg's great column on censorship

[shartley]

HeeHee Good article. And actually it is only the tip of the iceberg.