Another day off from school, yay (if I were still in high school) :(

[1stdeadeye]

Seperation of Church and State was meant to protect Churches from state control ala the Church of England. Right now you have Athiests forcing their beliefs on America.

Why can't groups of students form prayer clubs if they wish? Why can't a little boy read a story from the Bible on his turn to read day?

Just seems hypocritical.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Seperation of Church and State was meant to protect Churches from state control ala the Church of England. Right now you have Athiests forcing their beliefs on America.

How so?

Why can't groups of students form prayer clubs if they wish? Why can't a little boy read a story from the Bible on his turn to read day?

Just seems hypocritical.

How is it hypocritical? It's not like kids are being allowed to read literature that states there is no God and that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Personally I think we don't really need a day for Darwin, and it's not worth the arguments it's bringing up.

[Restola]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Why can't groups of students form prayer clubs if they wish? Why can't a little boy read a story from the Bible on his turn to read day?

I agree many laws are rediculous. Not establishing a religion doesn't mean barring it from all public places.

[Jaasper]

Come on, of course we need a Darwin day. Just think of all the gift ideas. I mean who wouldn't want a Bobble Head Darwin doll... I believe that in this poor economy more holidays are the way to go. Make people go out and buy stuff to celibrate more stuff.

-Jaasper
Capitalist Pig.
Thank You.

[ERut]

Originally posted by ZAust
what kind of country can honestly promote freedom of religion when every piece of currency says "in god we trust"?

Are you saying that you're not free to believe whatever you want? You really don't think that this country has religious freedom?

Whatever you choose to believe, Christianity is a part of our country's history. Putting "In God we trust" on currency is part of that tratdition.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Restola

I agree many laws are rediculous. Not establishing a religion doesn't mean barring it from all public places.

Exactly! If you are an athiest fine! Don't try to bar religion from the world. We have just as much right to our beliefs as you do to yours.

Overmind-
How so?
Simple, The king controlled all aspects of life in England at the time. This included the Church of England as the king was the head of the church too! So Freedom of religion was intended to prevent state sponsored religion which would inevitably persecute smaller faiths. So we are all free to worship as we please without state interference, but some athiest take it to far trying to force us only to worhip at church. Forcing people to take religion out of more regular aspects of life is as oppressive as other forms of discrimination.

That's my $0.02!

[gamarada717]

I think that what ERut said was a very good point. This country was based off of christianity. The best thing about America is that if you don't like the words that we put on dollar bills, you have the freedom to leave. Also, I think that God is a very general term. Every religion has a God. If it said "In Jesus we trust", even though I'm a Christian, I would be pretty pissed off.

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Seperation of Church and State was meant to protect Churches from state control ala the Church of England. Right now you have Athiests forcing their beliefs on America.

Why can't groups of students form prayer clubs if they wish? Why can't a little boy read a story from the Bible on his turn to read day?

Just seems hypocritical.

Thank you deadeye! I was trying to keep my temper down reading those anti-Christian statements (which are quite false from what I've seen and experienced outside of church), but here you are with the voice of reason .

[OT]Now, not to jinx us or anything, but how long till CB throws this whole thread into the toilet (or was he banned for good)?[/OT]

[tony3]

I don't know, even though church and state "should" be seperated, our nation is christan. Our nation was formed and founded under God by the early settlers. The bible is a religious book, but it is not completely meant to praise God, it has life lessons in it that you won't here anywhere else. I guess I am biased beacuse I go to a Catholic High School and we pray before every class and relgion is one of our classes, and I have never not been in a Catholic school so I couldn't really tell you about religious diversity.

[Restola]

I lied terribly. I'm still posting in this thread. Sorry

Ignoring garamada this thread has been quite well thought out and civil, which is excellent! Lets not lose our tempers over this and get this locked in the middle of an excellent discussion.

I have a question for some of you Christians. What isn't happening now that you would like to see? Do you think your ability to practice your religion has ever been infringed? Do you think our country would benifit from a government policy of promoting Christianity? Why do you want/not want the government involved with religion (specifically your religion)?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Restola
I lied terribly. I'm still posting in this thread. Sorry

Just like a liberal!

I have a question for some of you Christians. What isn't happening now that you would like to see? Do you think your ability to practice your religion has ever been infringed? Do you think our country would benifit from a government policy of promoting Christianity? Why do you want/not want the government involved with religion (specifically your religion)?

See here is where you are missing out point. I do not want the government to promote any religion. That is to include Athiesm which is a belief system. I send my son to Catholic Schools so that he may learn right from wrong the same way I see it. I hate character education in public schools that stress PC values to children that their parents may not agree with.

It is okay for a little boy in school to read to his class "Why Joey has 2 mommys", but not for my son to read a bible verse. How sick and twisted is that. If you teach values in school, you will discriminate against someone. Teach Reading, Writing , and Arithmatic! I'll teach my children right from wrong.

Disclosure: I am not some right wing bigot! I do not feel all gays should be killed. Do I approve of their behavior, no. Should they be persecuted for it, no. Should they be allowed to force it into my face or that of my child? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

[bleachit]

very well said deadeye, especially concerning liberals

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by Restola
I lied terribly. I'm still posting in this thread. Sorry

Just like a liberal!

I have a question for some of you Christians. What isn't happening now that you would like to see? Do you think your ability to practice your religion has ever been infringed? Do you think our country would benifit from a government policy of promoting Christianity? Why do you want/not want the government involved with religion (specifically your religion)?

See here is where you are missing out point. I do not want the government to promote any religion. That is to include Athiesm which is a belief system. I send my son to Catholic Schools so that he may learn right from wrong the same way I see it. I hate character education in public schools that stress PC values to children that their parents may not agree with.

It is okay for a little boy in school to read to his class "Why Joey has 2 mommys", but not for my son to read a bible verse. How sick and twisted is that. If you teach values in school, you will discriminate against someone. Teach Reading, Writing , and Arithmatic! I'll teach my children right from wrong.

Disclosure: I am not some right wing bigot! I do not feel all gays should be killed. Do I approve of their behavior, no. Should they be persecuted for it, no. Should they be allowed to force it into my face or that of my child? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

Agreed 100%. That's a very nice Christian view you have, Deadeye. Hate the sin, not the sinner (as we christians see it).

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

Overmind-
How so?
Simple, The king controlled all aspects of life in England at the time. This included the Church of England as the king was the head of the church too! So Freedom of religion was intended to prevent state sponsored religion which would inevitably persecute smaller faiths. So we are all free to worship as we please without state interference, but some athiest take it to far trying to force us only to worhip at church. Forcing people to take religion out of more regular aspects of life is as oppressive as other forms of discrimination.

Absence of organized religion is not Atheism. Schools are not preaching that their is no God, therefore they are not preaching Atheist beliefs. Neither Atheism nor Christianity is being favored in schools, and that's probably the best way to run things. Also, children are allowed to say their own prayers by themselves (and are allowed to bring religious texts to schools), so no one is really restricting their rights. They're just not allowed to make it part of the curriculum, which is how it should be (this falls under the same area as group prayer).

[Restola]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Just like a liberal!

Oh I hate you... That little online test said I'm the farthest right on these boards!

Other than that, there's nothing you've said that I don't agree with. It's the 1% that are ultra-sensitive and want no religion visible anywhere and the 1% that insist that this country is Christian at any price that are really screwing both sides.