What am I supposed to do?!?!

[TheTramp]

Re: What am I supposed to do?!?!

Originally posted by NJPaint

But now I'm just teed off because a rich jew is allowed to yell into a microphone

You had me until this assinine statment.

I'm sure the school administration took into account the he was "a rich jew" when they allowed him to make his statments. In fact I'd bet the "rich jews" are right now meeting in a secret location and are plotting the take over of your school! Watch out all you poor non-jews!

[ShooterJM]

Re: Re: What am I supposed to do?!?!

Originally posted by TheTramp
In fact I'd bet the "rich jews" are right now meeting in a secret location and are plotting the take over of your school!

School?!?! Bah. They've contracted my services to help them take over the world! muhahahahahaha

[NJPaint]

Re: Re: What am I supposed to do?!?!

Originally posted by TheTramp



You had me until this assinine statment.

I'm sure the school administration took into account the he was "a rich jew" when they allowed him to make his statments. In fact I'd bet the "rich jews" are right now meeting in a secret location and are plotting the take over of your school! Watch out all you poor non-jews!

really? Is it that far fetched? Kids are excused from commitments to sports teams to go to Israel, while I am not allowed to visit my family in Japan. And they randomly allowed another kid to yell "boycott exxon mobile", yet claim to be anti- any boycotts. Do I hold anything against Jews or the kid that said that? Of course not, I agree on some level with his message and am fairly decent friends with him. However, I am pissed that he is allowed to excircise freedoms that I am not allowed to.

What exactly is asinine? Your ENTIRE reasoning is based on the fact that I said "Jew" in a non-praising way. I used it to describe a person, who is extremely well off and who is of Jewish decent. Did I EVER fault him for either? No. You are trying to demonize me and anyone else who wants to be treated fairly. And stop making people out to be hatefilled people unless they actually are.

[TheTramp]

Right. You're all about the love.

[tyrion2323]

NJPaint,

It seems to me that you DO have a problem with the fact that thse people are Jewish. If you didn't, you wouldn't label him as a Jew. Sounds to me like you should just let the whole issue drop.

really? Is it that far fetched?

Yes, yes it is. Believing that there is some Jewish conspiracy is about as retarded as you can get. I'm sorry that you couldn't go to Japan - sounds like a funky situation - but don't blame Jews because your coach is a weirdo.

It's attitudes like that which drove the Jewish people out of Europe and to Israel.

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by tyrion2323
NJPaint,

It seems to me that you DO have a problem with the fact that thse people are Jewish. If you didn't, you wouldn't label him as a Jew. Sounds to me like you should just let the whole issue drop.



Yes, yes it is. Believing that there is some Jewish conspiracy is about as retarded as you can get. I'm sorry that you couldn't go to Japan - sounds like a funky situation - but don't blame Jews because your coach is a weirdo.

It's attitudes like that which drove the Jewish people out of Europe and to Israel.

Yes, I have a problem with Jews... Thats why my best friend is Jewish, thats why 2 of my paintball buddies are Jewish, thats why half of my classmates are Jewish and I get along fine with all of them. Where do you get this "Jewish conspiracy" from? I am saying that there is a possibility that there is a bias against non-Jews at my school. Have I ever blamed the jews for any of it? I've been treated unfairly twice, while a Jewish counter part was given an opportunity to do something.

As stated before I don't have any bias against Jews. Look at any network that I am in. Look at any of the work that I have done. I do dislike Israel for its flagrant mistreatment of the Palestinians. If you don't 'believe' in that mistreatment, sorry, there are 65 UN resolutions against Israel with regard to this conflict. I have never brought in anything about Jews being responsible for anything and it is amazing that you have this "he's anti-semetic lets get him attitude" simply because I am anti-Israel. You obviously can't differentiate between a race and a country.

Yes... Calling me a nazi... Attitudes like yours allowed the zionists to perform ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian people. (and yes, everyone agrees that it did happen, just some say that it was justified and others say it wasnt', denying that is like denying that the holocost happend)

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by TheTramp
Right. You're all about the love.

Given the number of passifist groups I am a part of and given the fact that I've been working with ACLU for a while now, I would say that I am an advocate for Peace and Justice in the US and Israel for everyone, Jewish and non-jewish alike.

Also, given that I just recieved a full, four year scholarship to Washington University in St. Louis, based on my record of working on the Palestinian/Israeli issue as well as a number of essays that I have written, I think it is safe to say that when someone isn't a racist against palestinians, I'm not insulted like I have been by you. I don't know, somehow I don't think a top 10 university in the US would just hand me 100k+ to go to school based on my activism to end racism and promote peace if they thought that I was anti-semetic.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by NJPaint
Yes... Calling me a nazi... Attitudes like yours allowed the zionists to perform ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian people. (and yes, everyone agrees that it did happen, just some say that it was justified and others say it wasnt', denying that is like denying that the holocost happend)

Oh my God. You have just resurrected an old CollegeBoy argument. Do not go there please for your own sake.

Not everybody agrees that the Israelis performed Ethnic Cleansing on the Palestinians. Quite a few people belive that it is a matter of survival as Israel is willing to give Palestine a state, but the Palestinians want Israel annihilated.

[Rooster]

"Who should have the responsibility for cleaning up what the Zionists started? The Israelis who get 3 billion a year in welfare from the US taxpayers, or the Palestinians who live under occupation and curfew? If you oppress and perform genocide on a group of people, they are going to be pissed and try to hurt you."

And, my little prejudiced friend, when said people get tired of having crazed idiots blowing up busses full of their children, they will take away the freedoms of the people deliberately trying to kill their children.

By the way, the Arabs didn't control the land. The British did, and they gave it to Israel. If the Arabs didn't like Israeli rule, they should have moved.

Just because you favor the less popular side in a conflict doesn't make you any less prejudiced against the Israelis.

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Oh my God. You have just resurrected an old CollegeBoy argument. Do not go there please for your own sake.

Not everybody agrees that the Israelis performed Ethnic Cleansing on the Palestinians. Quite a few people belive that it is a matter of survival as Israel is willing to give Palestine a state, but the Palestinians want Israel annihilated.

ethnic cleansing
n.
The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide.

Lets see, refersh my memory about what happend in 1948... The forcive removal of the Palestinians from their land by forced emigration into refugee camps and by moving them into the west bank...

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by Rooster
"Who should have the responsibility for cleaning up what the Zionists started? The Israelis who get 3 billion a year in welfare from the US taxpayers, or the Palestinians who live under occupation and curfew? If you oppress and perform genocide on a group of people, they are going to be pissed and try to hurt you."

And, my little prejudiced friend, when said people get tired of having crazed idiots blowing up busses full of their children, they will take away the freedoms of the people deliberately trying to kill their children.

By the way, the Arabs didn't control the land. The British did, and they gave it to Israel. If the Arabs didn't like Israeli rule, they should have moved.

Just because you favor the less popular side in a conflict doesn't make you any less prejudiced against the Israelis.

"crazed idiots"

What do you call what happend to Rachel Corrie? What about the fact that the Palestinian people were kicked out of their land and forced under occupation? "Deliberately trying to kill their children" Likud manifesto, sitting infront of me: "A greater Israel from Sea to Jordan River". The controling political party's byline is that Israel should own/control everything between the Mediteranean and the Jordan river, this was first published in 1972. That doesn't seem like going after children, that seems like they want to deport, or move every Palestinian from "Israeli lands". You demonize all Palestinians as wanting Israel to not exist. Well, if all your lands were taken away and you were forced into confined camps, wouldn't you want the same thing? Even then most Palestinians don't. Most want their personal land back, or at least to live in peace, instead of under occupation and curfew.

Look at the number of Palestinian Civilians killed by the IDF compared to the number of Israeli citizens killed by Suicide bombers. The numbers aren't even close.


Which is worse, killing several hundred, or killing several thousand and keeping 6 million people oppressed and under occupation? You think that suicide bombings are bad, why not attack the problems instead of intensifying them. The Palestinians are living with 1/9th the water that the Israelis are. The live under constant black outs, they can't move because of the super highways and checkpoints, and many live in refugee camps. Compare that to the Suicide bombers. I don't understand how those are even comparable.

[ShooterJM]

I seem to remember something about the seven armies that isreal was immediately at war with suggesting to the palestinians to leave as well....

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by NJPaint
I don't know, somehow I don't think a top 10 university in the US would just hand me 100k+ to go to school based on my activism to end racism and promote peace if they thought that I was anti-semetic.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, just FYI. I know a guy who really isn't all that bright, who just happens to be terribly racist and black and he got a full ride to harvard.....

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
I seem to remember something about the seven armies that isreal was immediately at war with suggesting to the palestinians to leave as well....

And the Jordanians were oppressive as well, and even more violent than the Israelis. Is that what Israel wants to do? Be compared with Jordan and its treatment of the Palestinians? If you want to go there, it looks like the Palestinians are trying to live in a world where nobody wants them and have been kicked out of their homeland. I recognize that what the Jordanians did was Evil, but that doesn't make what Israel does right.

The Jordanians didn't like the Jews setting up shop right next to them. That is why they and their Arab cronies attacked Israel, they did the right thing, for the wrong reasons. The Israeli's have as much right to live in peace as any other people. However, just because they have that right doesn't mean that it can be at the expense of the native people. I wouldn't have a problem with a multi-ethnic Israel, where everyone, zionists and natives alike share the same laws and rights. However, by performing ethnic cleansing of the native people then settign up a "democracy" is not the right way of doing things. The reason why the Palestinians started uprising was not because the "hated jews". Their motives were primarily secular. You don't hear them proclaiming what they do is for Allah. Did you know that the Palestinians are the most secular of the Arab people? Or that ~30% in 1948 were christian? They feel like they have been stepped on for 50+ years and they don't like living under oppressions and occupation. Just like anyone. Look at the revolutionary war, or any other group oppressed by another people.

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by ShooterJM



One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, just FYI. I know a guy who really isn't all that bright, who just happens to be terribly racist and black and he got a full ride to harvard.....

Maybe, but was it merit based? Did he have to show who he really was and what he had done to get it? Or was it based on financial need...